C# or Java ??

[Brady Kelly]

Call that old?  I learned COBOL on coding sheets! :suss: I actually did, at a programming college in 1996.  We only did hands-on practical once for each of three modules.  Every second Saturday morning was a gruelling five hour practical written in pencil on coding sheets.

[GuyThiebaut]

Yes thanks, I was going to say COBOLocks but I can't say that in the lounge can I? Oh no I went and said it :rolleyes:

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[GuyThiebaut]

When I learn't COBOL the tutors used to get a ruler out to measure indentation on the paper. I kid you not, if it was two centimetres out we had to type it out again. We were also taught to read code dumps in hex. But this was back in 1990. So I am surprised that in 1996 you were still doing this sort of thing - maybe it's just the sadistic trainers who teach COBOL.

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[Lost User]

Brady Kelly wrote:

at a programming college in 1996

You must be younger than you sound. My induction into COBOL was in the early 1970's, that's when the Ford Escort Mk I was still in production.

[Brady Kelly]

They wanted to teach correct coding without relying on a compiler to identify errors.

[Brady Kelly]

Yikes, when people see me they always think I'm younger than I am, but online it seems people think I'm older than I am.  I'm thirty-eight.  I attended that college nine years into my career as a military telecoms technician, to get out of the Air Force and into a world where you had to work for your money, but you got proper money.  I went into SAP for two years after that, contracting for the college company's newly formed consulting division.  Then I went independant, and made my mark writing a national coverage client server system, with 300 online sites, in VB6! :omg:

[Tom Delany]

PL/1 ;) :-\

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[Gary R Wheeler]

I took three courses in computer graphics as an undergraduate that used PL/I-80 (on a CP/M box, no less). Each graphics system had a whopping 256x192 resolution, with 256 colors per pixel (4 levels each of red, green, and blue). My final project in the third course demonstrated 3D hidden surface removal using binary space partitioning trees. BSP trees were used in the original DOOM for rendering the 3D environment :cool:.

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[Tom Delany]

:)

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[Vasudevan Deepak Kumar]

Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

VB

Wouldn't that show the image upside down?

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[Vasudevan Deepak Kumar]

superset, rather. ;)

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[Vasudevan Deepak Kumar]

Thank you for bringing in sweet green memories of those tender age computing days.

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[Vasudevan Deepak Kumar]

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

COBOL.NET

Are there serious takers for it? Or was it just like a Proof of concept? COBOL is a really giant mainframe type language. So bringing a .NET cover for it -- would it make something useful?

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[Vasudevan Deepak Kumar]

Chris Austin wrote:

not C#

Why? I admit that Java is tricky but C# helps you significantly right?

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[Jeff Dickey]

Will you need to fit your code into a larger system? what's that system written in? Use that.... Otherwise... what are you most experienced in? have you used the image tools available in either language or both? Which are you more productive in? How comfortable are you with the testing and documentation tools for each language? JUnit is still quite a bit more mature than NUnit, but if you're more comfortable with the latter, then that's a positive for C#. Is the code going to be ported to environments outside .NET? How comfortable are you with the language tools and support on the other platforms you're considering? Porting C# to Linux and Mac can be done with sufficient thought and planning invested beforehand...but Java really is a lot more productive/mature here. Finally, who's going to be maintaining, using or extending your source code? If you're a Microsoft shop with a lot of C# (or even C++) experience in-house, that's a major plus for C#. On the other hand, if you outsource to the lowest bidder and 90% of the work is going to wind up in Chennai, then use the least complex Java code that will accomplish the mission. There is no single answer for "what language should I program in?" There hasn't been for at least the thirty years that I've been developing. Every programmer I know who I consider truly competent has professional-level chops in at least three languages, and learns at least one new language a year. Do you?

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[DJ van Wyk]

Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

That is just my two cents

I'll raise your 2 cents to 3 cents and say C#

[Ennis Ray Lynch Jr]

Considering the FPS results of my simple grayscale conversion article and a motion detection app I have written in C# that I have not published an article on I have to say C++. I must ask, of course, how much work you have done in C++ do say that C# is the better choice.

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[DJ van Wyk]

I'm still busy doing DirectX in C++, but since the question only asked for C# or Java, I had to pick C#. I have written a C# Document Management system using C# and GDI (replacing the PictureBox component), so at least I know it is possible.

[Ennis Ray Lynch Jr]

Fair enough. Sometimes I find people limiting a choice of languages from a lack of knowledge and not a requirement so I like to mention alternatives when I can. DirectX in C++! I almost had a contract doing that ... until they found out I charge money. Darn people on Craig's List. Mention that I charge money to do work and they stop emailing me!

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[DJ van Wyk]

Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

I charge money

Rather say that you develop the system for free, but charge for support and maintenance. That will make it sound good, but then also make sure that there will be support and maintenance by exploiting discrepancies in the spec.