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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    Considering the FPS results of my simple grayscale conversion article and a motion detection app I have written in C# that I have not published an article on I have to say C++. I must ask, of course, how much work you have done in C++ do say that C# is the better choice.

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    DJ van Wyk
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    I'm still busy doing DirectX in C++, but since the question only asked for C# or Java, I had to pick C#. I have written a C# Document Management system using C# and GDI (replacing the PictureBox component), so at least I know it is possible.

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    • D DJ van Wyk

      I'm still busy doing DirectX in C++, but since the question only asked for C# or Java, I had to pick C#. I have written a C# Document Management system using C# and GDI (replacing the PictureBox component), so at least I know it is possible.

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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      Fair enough. Sometimes I find people limiting a choice of languages from a lack of knowledge and not a requirement so I like to mention alternatives when I can. DirectX in C++! I almost had a contract doing that ... until they found out I charge money. Darn people on Craig's List. Mention that I charge money to do work and they stop emailing me!

      Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
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      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

        Fair enough. Sometimes I find people limiting a choice of languages from a lack of knowledge and not a requirement so I like to mention alternatives when I can. DirectX in C++! I almost had a contract doing that ... until they found out I charge money. Darn people on Craig's List. Mention that I charge money to do work and they stop emailing me!

        Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
        Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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        DJ van Wyk
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        Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

        I charge money

        Rather say that you develop the system for free, but charge for support and maintenance. That will make it sound good, but then also make sure that there will be support and maintenance by exploiting discrepancies in the spec.

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        • L Lost User

          C# IS Java (Well, J++ warmed over a bit)

          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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          S Senthil Kumar
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          fat_boy wrote:

          C# IS Java (Well, J++ warmed over a bit)

          Well, C# 1.0 was Java, but since then, C# has evolved a lot (generics/lambda expressions/closures/LINQ/Nullable types etc..)

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          • G Gary R Wheeler

            I took three courses in computer graphics as an undergraduate that used PL/I-80 (on a CP/M box, no less). Each graphics system had a whopping 256x192 resolution, with 256 colors per pixel (4 levels each of red, green, and blue). My final project in the third course demonstrated 3D hidden surface removal using binary space partitioning trees. BSP trees were used in the original DOOM for rendering the 3D environment :cool:.

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            Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

            BSP trees were used in the original DOOM

            This also proved that John Carmack is not God as was believed at the time. In the first level of the Shareware version the was a small piece of floor missing due the Binary Tree. As far as I know this was the first time recorded history that Mr Carmack was proven wrong in his design. ;P

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            • N Nemanja Trifunovic

              So people are using VB for image processing nowdays? Fascinating.

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              KLMR
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              Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

              So people are using VB for image processing nowdays? Fascinating.

              And have done so for years, even in VB6. So what's your point? Was there even a point? In most applications speed simply doesn't matter that much. And although (reasonably fast) image processing in VB6 used to be more work than, say, in C++, this was often offset by the efford to interoperate with a C++-coded image processing DLL. So image processing in VB was (and is, even more so) a completely sane choice. Of course, if you have other requirements, e.g. process a large batch of images really, really fast, then scratch the above and turn to ASM. On the other hand, there are some excellent assembly-enhanced VB6 codes out there to do just that.

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              • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                superset, rather. ;)

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                Yes, it has some extensions.

                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  Ah - I managed to avoid COBOL. I have more of a mathematical background, so I was more on the FORTRAN, APL and C track.

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                  Anyone heard of Gotran? It was a single statement per line (card) subset of Fortran which I used on an IBM 1620 in 1965 to 1966. The multimedia experience of card and IBM golf ball typewriter I/O had to be seen to be believed!

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                  • R rockNroll

                    Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                    jsd001002
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                    C#,It is faster

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                    • R rockNroll

                      Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                      reshi999
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                      Funny you should ask as I have been developing image processor routines in C# for the past 2 weeks for OCR apps. Image manipulation is fairly easy once you are able to pull images into the correct binary classes, then I have been able to apply image transitions quite easily on a bit by bit level. Its not as fast as I would like but I have not optimised the code at all, it takes about 3 seconds to apply a brighten & sharpen filter on a 247k grayscale tiff. I am limited by the choice of language here though and have no idea on how fast java would perform.

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                      • L leckey 0

                        Assembly.

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                        Ouch...just ouch... :-)

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                        • R rockNroll

                          Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                          Rohde
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                          You sure got a lot of stupid answers to that question. Anyway, I depends on what language you know best and especially how complex you app is going to be. If it's pretty advanced Java has a big advantage in that there's the JAI (Java Advanced Imaging) API, and AFAIK there's not really any equivalent API for C# (.NET) though I can be mistaken. Ergo: If you know C# really well, and you app is going to be mostly home-implemented algorithms use C#, otherwise if you are going to make a big image processing app, and want to take advantage of a very nicely build API use Java and JAI.


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                          -Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand

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                          • R rockNroll

                            Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                            Noam Sigal
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                            pure image processing, or GUI? what platform? cross platform? the best way (in my experience) is to separate the GUI application from the image processing logic. best image processing library support is in C++, then Java. C# comes last. easiest to GUI (at least in .NET) is probably C#. if you have serious image processing - C++ (and C) give you the best programmatic control, which C# and Java don't. (they are more elegant, but much "weaker"). hope i helped. good luck.

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                            • R rockNroll

                              Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                              Fabio Franco
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                              I'd definetely say C#. Not because of tha language itself but because of the tools that are provided for it. Visual Studio will make your life so much easier than working with Eclipse or NetBeans. And I love C#, so this probably isn`t an impartial opinion. Regards,

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                              • R rockNroll

                                Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                                El Corazon
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                                rockNroll wrote:

                                I have got a new project which is based on image processing.

                                and what kind of image processing? some people have answered as if that explains everything. I see no explanation at all. Basic image processing (histogram, color shift, edge detect, etc.) or user defined image processing (advanced filtering, fractal edge detect, wavelet differencing), or even real-time image processing (image processing on live video, multi-frame blind convolution, image based object tracking). These are all image processing, but they conjure different levels of need as far as existing infrastructure in the language, and especially speed. Basic image processing is usually easy enough language is irrelevant, java has an image library you can use to help, C# can use existing dll based image libraries through the infamous pinvoke. The only question relevant is based on personnel, which do you know, which can be better supported by your staff?

                                rockNroll wrote:

                                C# or Java and why ?

                                why did you choose those languages? you could have chosen COBOL, or LOGO, or PL1. Are those the languages you know, the only ones you know, and you have to build this? Then perhaps, maybe this is the right question. Though if your requirements do include anything that will refer to speed, you may not be the right person for this project if that is all you know. I love the answer that skipped C++ and went straight to assembly if speed matters, by making absurd associations like that people try very hard to kill a language that refuses to die because it is still being used. All in all, you haven't given enough information to answer, anyone who says otherwise is basing their decision on their language preference only. what are your requirements? what does the user expect?

                                ------------------ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                  C++, then Java, then C#. That is just my two cents. Having developed in all three I think I have a solid foundation of the opinion as well.

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                                  txALI
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                                  I would say - first C++, then C#, and then Java :)

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                                    Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                                    Hamid Taebi
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                                    It depends to you and your client,but my suggestion is C# and also c++ is good.

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                                    • R rockNroll

                                      Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                                      Lost User
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                                      C# is better since it is more object oriented

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                                      • R rockNroll

                                        Hi, I have got a new project which is based on image processing. Which language will be better for this project.. C# or Java and why ? cheers rNr

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                                        yassir hannoun
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                                        between the two C# but for image processing u should consider C++

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                                        • J jsd001002

                                          C#,It is faster

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                                          JasonCordes
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                                          jsd001002 wrote:

                                          C#,It is faster

                                          would you mind providing empirical evidence to that extent? Having developed two 3D platforms in Java, I'm not convinced of all this slowness that people purport Java to have. Specifically, can you demonstrate what areas C# is faster in?

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