I hate Vista
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
Faster - it depends: x86 seems slower than XP, but x64 is faster than XP on the same hardware. More stable - that's true.
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So - SQL Server 2005 installs on Vista, only there's no client tools. I've googled and lots of people have this issue. They all found different solutions, none of which work for me. I am going away tomorrow morning, I need to be able to work on my notebook. Thank you, Microsoft.
What? I'm running Vista and SQL Server 2005, and I have all the tools installed. :confused:
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What? I'm running Vista and SQL Server 2005, and I have all the tools installed. :confused:
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Yeah, I am under the impression it fails at random, as in, it depends on the setup of the machine. Can't find what fixes it tho.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
Are you suggesting there are magic words I need to say to make installers work on Vista ?
Didn't you know that? They're in the documentation. Just kidding... As far as I know, you should download the packages that already include SP2. They're a bit tricky to find, but they are available. I'm quite sure that the packages with no SP2 don't work with Vista.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
OK - I guess that is it. I can't download, my MSDN has been cut off b/c I'm not an MVP anymore.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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OK - I guess that is it. I can't download, my MSDN has been cut off b/c I'm not an MVP anymore.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
If you're using the Express edition, you don't need MSDN.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
and faster than XP for development on the same hardware
Did you get some happy pills together with that Windows box? :~
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If you're using the Express edition, you don't need MSDN.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
I don't want to use SQL Express, I want to use the whole thing. Express comes with client tools now ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
wow ... are you paid to say that stuff about vista and microsoft? im really beginning to think you are the online answer to the apple ads sponsored by microsoft :omg:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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I don't want to use SQL Express, I want to use the whole thing. Express comes with client tools now ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Express comes with client tools now ?
Of course. They're just a separate download. The Express Edition even includes full-text search.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Hey - don't go speaking logic. People just like to rant about Vista, they don't need any sensible explanations :D Btw - running Vista (x64) for over a year with very few problems - fewer then I had on XP. And yes, I have SQL Server 2005 dev edition installed with management studio.
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Same, in fact I've never had Vista bluescreen (because of itself) I have had it once or twice but that was due to a ****y Nokia driver which didn't like x64 even though it said it did.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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I don't want to use SQL Express, I want to use the whole thing. Express comes with client tools now ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Express comes with client tools now ?
SSMSE[^] The only limitations between Dev and Express are the size of the databases which can be attached and stuff like load balancing I think. The full edition of SSMS contains a bit of extra stuff but I can't remember what, never needed to use it.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Yeah, I am under the impression it fails at random, as in, it depends on the setup of the machine. Can't find what fixes it tho.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Perhaps - but if I can't install them successfully, who says the other stuff will work ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
SQL Management Express (or whatever the hell it's called) works fine on Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Express comes with client tools now ?
SSMSE[^] The only limitations between Dev and Express are the size of the databases which can be attached and stuff like load balancing I think. The full edition of SSMS contains a bit of extra stuff but I can't remember what, never needed to use it.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
Developer Edition is Enterprise Edition rebadged with the installer allowed to install on a client OS like Windows XP or Windows Vista. Your license only allows it to be used for development, testing and demonstration, not production. Express Edition is capped to 1 CPU, 1GB of memory, and a 4GB maximum database. SQL Server 2005 Features Comparison[^].
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BTW, did you install SQL Server Service Pack 2? If you didn't, then try installing it, it worked for me on Vista Business. And yes, there is one more thing with IIS7 components - try installing the IIS 6 related tools (Metabase, Backward Compatibility, etc.) from the appwiz.cpl and REINSTALL SQL Server - it MIGHT start working (It did for me, though). P.S.: FYI, Reporting Services still doesn't work for me, even after going through all this :|
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**This[^] is what fixed my situation and the others on our team using Vista.
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Yes, I did install the dev edition. Vista always breaks for me, I don't know why. I have dual boot I am now setting up all my tools on XP
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Try this.[^]. The two links at the bottom specifically.
ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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So - SQL Server 2005 installs on Vista, only there's no client tools. I've googled and lots of people have this issue. They all found different solutions, none of which work for me. I am going away tomorrow morning, I need to be able to work on my notebook. Thank you, Microsoft.
I had that problem installing on XP as well. After uninstalling and reinstalling unsuccessfully a few times, I got it to work by uninstalling the office 2003 web extensions. Office 2007 had installed an incompatible version of the 2003 extensions. :^)
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John C wrote:
I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
Faster - it depends: x86 seems slower than XP, but x64 is faster than XP on the same hardware. More stable - that's true.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
Dario Solera wrote:
: x86 seems slower than XP
No way, not when you have adequate ram and superfetch has had time to do it's thing. No comparison in loading apps and in many cases compiling apps that rely on thousands of unchanging files. Definitely faster on x86.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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wow ... are you paid to say that stuff about vista and microsoft? im really beginning to think you are the online answer to the apple ads sponsored by microsoft :omg:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
No, there are many of us who feel the same. I think what I'm getting paid to do is act like a professional developer and ensure the software I write runs on all modern Microsoft os's and as part of that I did a lot of research on vista about 2 years ago and learned a good deal about it and how it works and as a result I've had an easy time running it. I would not go back to XP at this point but I'm happy to upgrade to something newer if it comes along. I mean I like Vista and find it works solidly but it's far from the mythical ideal os.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
