I hate Vista
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Dario Solera wrote:
The funny thing is that the experience with Vista varies so much from user to user
I'm really starting to believe there are only two reasons: 1) Inadequate hardware. 2) Unwillingness on the part of the user to believe that Vista is actually different in significant ways so they assume everything is the same as it ever was and run into trouble through their own lack of knowledge.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
Hey - don't go speaking logic. People just like to rant about Vista, they don't need any sensible explanations :D Btw - running Vista (x64) for over a year with very few problems - fewer then I had on XP. And yes, I have SQL Server 2005 dev edition installed with management studio.
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Dario Solera wrote:
The funny thing is that the experience with Vista varies so much from user to user
I'm really starting to believe there are only two reasons: 1) Inadequate hardware. 2) Unwillingness on the part of the user to believe that Vista is actually different in significant ways so they assume everything is the same as it ever was and run into trouble through their own lack of knowledge.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
Well, the SQL Server 2005 installer plain does not work. Are you suggesting there are magic words I need to say to make installers work on Vista ? Dual core machine, 2 gig of RAM, 200 gig of free space on the HDD I am installing to, is that not enoug for Vista to run SS2005 ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
Is there a new bullsh*t Apple ad out again?
Yeah, I saw one last night.
John C wrote:
blame the bogey man!
Seriously - the installer doesn't work. The error log has no useful information. What do you expect me to say here ? This is not like UAC ( which I still think totally sucks and is an assault on the user, but I am done complaining about it ). The installer does not work. The end.
John C wrote:
use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development
Oh, I'm sure they work sometimes. Every hit I got googling the problem had a different solution, I almost think the installer works at random and people are blaming the last thing they tried. I installed it three times, from three different DVDs and found no useful help, nor would the client tools install.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Hey - don't go speaking logic. People just like to rant about Vista, they don't need any sensible explanations :D Btw - running Vista (x64) for over a year with very few problems - fewer then I had on XP. And yes, I have SQL Server 2005 dev edition installed with management studio.
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Alsvha wrote:
Btw - running Vista (x64) for over a year with very few problems - fewer then I had on XP. And yes, I have SQL Server 2005 dev edition installed with management studio.
Same here.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Well, the SQL Server 2005 installer plain does not work. Are you suggesting there are magic words I need to say to make installers work on Vista ? Dual core machine, 2 gig of RAM, 200 gig of free space on the HDD I am installing to, is that not enoug for Vista to run SS2005 ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Are you suggesting there are magic words I need to say to make installers work on Vista ?
Didn't you know that? They're in the documentation. Just kidding... As far as I know, you should download the packages that already include SP2. They're a bit tricky to find, but they are available. I'm quite sure that the packages with no SP2 don't work with Vista.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
Faster - it depends: x86 seems slower than XP, but x64 is faster than XP on the same hardware. More stable - that's true.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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So - SQL Server 2005 installs on Vista, only there's no client tools. I've googled and lots of people have this issue. They all found different solutions, none of which work for me. I am going away tomorrow morning, I need to be able to work on my notebook. Thank you, Microsoft.
What? I'm running Vista and SQL Server 2005, and I have all the tools installed. :confused:
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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What? I'm running Vista and SQL Server 2005, and I have all the tools installed. :confused:
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Yeah, I am under the impression it fails at random, as in, it depends on the setup of the machine. Can't find what fixes it tho.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
Are you suggesting there are magic words I need to say to make installers work on Vista ?
Didn't you know that? They're in the documentation. Just kidding... As far as I know, you should download the packages that already include SP2. They're a bit tricky to find, but they are available. I'm quite sure that the packages with no SP2 don't work with Vista.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
OK - I guess that is it. I can't download, my MSDN has been cut off b/c I'm not an MVP anymore.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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OK - I guess that is it. I can't download, my MSDN has been cut off b/c I'm not an MVP anymore.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
If you're using the Express edition, you don't need MSDN.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
and faster than XP for development on the same hardware
Did you get some happy pills together with that Windows box? :~
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If you're using the Express edition, you don't need MSDN.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
I don't want to use SQL Express, I want to use the whole thing. Express comes with client tools now ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
wow ... are you paid to say that stuff about vista and microsoft? im really beginning to think you are the online answer to the apple ads sponsored by microsoft :omg:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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I don't want to use SQL Express, I want to use the whole thing. Express comes with client tools now ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Express comes with client tools now ?
Of course. They're just a separate download. The Express Edition even includes full-text search.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Hey - don't go speaking logic. People just like to rant about Vista, they don't need any sensible explanations :D Btw - running Vista (x64) for over a year with very few problems - fewer then I had on XP. And yes, I have SQL Server 2005 dev edition installed with management studio.
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Same, in fact I've never had Vista bluescreen (because of itself) I have had it once or twice but that was due to a ****y Nokia driver which didn't like x64 even though it said it did.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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I don't want to use SQL Express, I want to use the whole thing. Express comes with client tools now ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Express comes with client tools now ?
SSMSE[^] The only limitations between Dev and Express are the size of the databases which can be attached and stuff like load balancing I think. The full edition of SSMS contains a bit of extra stuff but I can't remember what, never needed to use it.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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Here we go again, blame the bogey man! Is there a new bullshit Apple ad out again? ;) I've had no issues with any of it, I've been developing on Vista exclusively for over a year now and use SQL server and tools quite heavily during development. I've also had no issues with *any* developer tools from any vendor, 3rd party component suites, Firebird database server, EMS SQL Manager for Firebird, graphics editors etc etc you name it they've all worked perfectly. The biggest area I remember having any difficulty with was initially developing against the IIS that comes with Vista but it all boiled down to the new interface and some minor tweaking that I found a guide for online, took about 30 minutes to set that up. Since setting it up correctly it's been fine ever since. I've found Vista to be more stable and faster than XP for development on the same hardware and I know I'm not alone, it's suckiness is highly exaggerated.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Yeah, I am under the impression it fails at random, as in, it depends on the setup of the machine. Can't find what fixes it tho.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Perhaps - but if I can't install them successfully, who says the other stuff will work ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
SQL Management Express (or whatever the hell it's called) works fine on Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Express comes with client tools now ?
SSMSE[^] The only limitations between Dev and Express are the size of the databases which can be attached and stuff like load balancing I think. The full edition of SSMS contains a bit of extra stuff but I can't remember what, never needed to use it.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
Developer Edition is Enterprise Edition rebadged with the installer allowed to install on a client OS like Windows XP or Windows Vista. Your license only allows it to be used for development, testing and demonstration, not production. Express Edition is capped to 1 CPU, 1GB of memory, and a 4GB maximum database. SQL Server 2005 Features Comparison[^].
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