What is the "best" programming language for Artificial Intelligent Systems
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
Kobby Kan wrote:
But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?
what are the requirements? AI tells us little. who uses it? what are the demands? what are your time limits? CPU limits? what else will the machine be used for? Can you survive stealing 100% of the CPU or do you need to limit to 10% because more significant processing will be done based on your results? Does everyone start with language? or requirements?
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Kobby Kan wrote:
But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?
what are the requirements? AI tells us little. who uses it? what are the demands? what are your time limits? CPU limits? what else will the machine be used for? Can you survive stealing 100% of the CPU or do you need to limit to 10% because more significant processing will be done based on your results? Does everyone start with language? or requirements?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
It's kind of an unanswerable problem. In the domain I work in I'd probably be plugging an AI library into a .net front end application and I wouldn't care one bit what language it was written in as long as it did the job. If I were starting out with pure research in AI I'd probably use the language that gets results the fastest and is the most forgiving of quickly prototyping and trying new things (.net or Java) and then later on potentially rewrite bits of it in c++ or assembly for performance if necessary as it became time to have a practical working prototype for sale.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No offence, but i meant "serious", "practical" AI. VB could do it, but maybe not efficiently.
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
Kobby Kan wrote:
But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be?
I'm choosing Python. Cross platform, lots of free source AI(many subjects), portable to .Net thru IronPython. In fact, funny you mention this because I am updating my IronTextBox for IronPython 2.0B2 support. I am hoping to have the article complete tonight, if not by end of the week.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No offence, but i meant "serious", "practical" AI. VB could do it, but maybe not efficiently.
Why not ? Do you think C# could do it ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
There are voice systems available on the market, and tons of chess playing programs. I would go COTS (commercial off the shelf) and just write the glue logic.
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What if your simply need to develop an advanced software for speech or image recognition or a chess-playing system, without the luxury of building your own hardware, with limitations on CPU usage, say 20% max.
Kobby Kan wrote:
What if your simply need to develop an advanced software for speech or image recognition or a chess-playing system
depends on the methods for employing speech recognition. Are you writing your own algorithm or using the Microsoft speech recognition system? Do you have a new method of analyzing moves in chess or are you implementing a variation on the old standard minima/maxima with early branch culling? Are you using known standards for image recognition or employing a new algorithm requiring image manipulation at the core level? These matter. The less you have to reinvent, the better C# is. C# isn't a miracle, or a disaster waiting to befall you. It simply is another language, but employs a large section of existing and known technology that can work for you. If you can utilize that technology, as in you are not inventing your own technologies, then C# is much more promising. If you are trying to invent something new and amazing in C#, that 20% limit will kill you if you have to touch your own pixels, or analyze your own wave forms, or build your own cognitive behavior systems. Thus comes C++. On the highest end when you are employing new technologies that no one else has thought of yet, you have the highest advantage of speed... IF you know how to use it. In either case you can shoot yourself in the foot.
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
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Kobby Kan wrote:
But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be?
Like I said before, what are the requirements? How much ram can we expect our customers to have and not adversely affect sales? What OSs will we support? What is our threading approach (green vs native)? Blah blah blah..... it goes on forever. AI is pretty independent of the platform (.net, STL, Python, Ruby,....). I've implemented moderately complex AIs in .net and Python (via stackless and greenlets) and, good old C/C++. As far as how well the AI performed it was really due to the implementation. If you know your algorithms and structures it all comes down to a your "measures of goodness". By this I mean that you really have to ask yourself and your customers if applicable what matters most and determine the context of the AI. Does it matter if your ai is a little slow? Do you care what percentage of the RAM consumed by your app is gobbled up by the AI? Where are you deploying your AI? Is it part of a larger application or does it stand alone? Finally, does the language even matter if you are trying to learn about AI? Seriously, a good programmer can learn the basics of a platform in a matter of days or weeks. What really makes the really good ones stand out in my view is their knowledge of their domain.
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves - deal with natural intelligence first!
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I wonder if DNA was written in C#
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I wonder if DNA was written in C#
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown "All things good to know are difficult to learn" ~ Greek Proverb "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary" ~ Vidal Sassoon
Thunderbox666 wrote:
I wonder if DNA was written in C#
No, gestation of a complex animal would take years, not months.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
You may need to break it down further in scope. There are many different AI subject areas, many of which could use a particular language better. I think have read somewhere that lisp makes good for language processing while I would hard pressed to choose anything but C (or C++) when invoking massive neural networks, and well PROLOG just works pretty well for those little robots.
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VB. Just to prove that it can be done. :-D
VB could do but would the app work?
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
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This is a follow up from the post "Is C# suitable for artificial intelligent systems". I really enjoyed the discussion. But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be? C, C++, LISP, PROLOG, C#, VB ... ?:confused::confused::confused:
Kobby Kan wrote:
But then if you had to choose a programming language for a 'real world' artificial intelligent system development, what would it be?
None of them. Artificial intelligence is never going to happen on a computer regardless of the language used to program it. Even if it could be done it wouldnt matter what the language is, its all machine code by the time it runs, the script you play with is just a representaiton of that. The fact is though that we dont even understand the nature of inteligence, of our selves. Until we do, we are never going to reproduce it.
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Thunderbox666 wrote:
I wonder if DNA was written in C#
No, gestation of a complex animal would take years, not months.
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Are you then suggesting that it is coded in C/Assembler? :P
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Why not ? Do you think C# could do it ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: No offence, but i meant "serious", "practical" AI. VB could do it, but maybe not efficiently.
Efficiently maybe, but still slowly!
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Are you then suggesting that it is coded in C/Assembler? :P
Greetings. -------- M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you “The First Rule of Program Optimization: Don't do it. The Second Rule of Program Optimization (for experts only!): Don't do it yet.” - Michael A. Jackson Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Assembler obviously, with no documentation, once it was written no one else can figure out what it does outside of the smallest of pieces.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."