Academic snobbery
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_Damian S_ wrote:
I'm sorry, but if you undergrads are going to come in here and start whining, us qualified people are going to have to show you the exit...
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MarkBrock wrote:
they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are.
A well timed fart might be appropriate
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
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MarkBrock wrote:
whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are.
That happens everywhere, not just school. People want you to know they work longer hours, get less sleep, have more bills, drive farther to work, make less money, have endured more broken bones, etc.
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There are CS courses that are mediocre at best.
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Trollslayer wrote:
There are CS courses that are mediocre at best.
True, but there are CS courses that are a real tough nut to crack as well.
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
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I work routinely with very clever people, unfortunately true brilliance takes far more than academic qualifications. Some have it, some are too arrogant to realize they don't. In fact academia is a bit of a farce, it just proves your ability to learn facts, it does not by any means prepare you for a working practical environment. The most important quality is continuous self improvement!
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
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What what? You're having a beer and someone is making you feel like crap? Just throw your beer at them and get another one. Beer is good. Beer is the answer to life's problems.
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Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. (It is akin to a Math Degree at a Science based university) Admittedly, back in Uni, we did make fun of the education majors and soft sciences. My favorite method of doing so was taking a class no CS major would dare take and blow the curve.
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Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. (It is akin to a Math Degree at a Science based university)
I believe it's only difficult because it's so poorly taught.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Admittedly, back in Uni, we did make fun of the education majors and soft sciences. My favorite method of doing so was taking a class no CS major would dare take and blow the curve.
Yeah, I use to sigh up for linear algebra and topology classes just to make fun of those poor slow dolts majoring in math or physics, they were just soooo lame. I'd be all like "your family's so poor that when your momma got married your daddy had to use an abelian ring for a wedding band", or if someone got in my face I'd be all "your momma's so fat that when she sits around the möbius strip, she 'sits around' the möbius strip", yeah, un-huh. What was this thread about again? ;P :-D
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
good CS curriculum involves as much math
True. And good aptitude and reasoning power besides a logical coherant approach to problem-solving.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonVasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: good CS curriculum involves as much math True. And good aptitude and reasoning power besides a logical coherant approach to problem-solving.
But not the ability to program...
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Josh Gray wrote:
well timed fart
Is that also clocked and scheduled? :-D
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonVasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: well timed fart Is that also clocked and scheduled? [Big Grin]
At least put on a chronjob :laugh:
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
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Actually it's been a long time since I've been so insecure that the boasting of others made me feel anything other than sorry for them. After all, if they have to boast, it likely indicates that their ego is fragile. So have your beer and don't worry about the small stuff.
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What what? You're having a beer and someone is making you feel like crap? Just throw your beer at them and get another one. Beer is good. Beer is the answer to life's problems.
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iangrech wrote:
Beer is the answer to life's problems.
To quote Homer Simpson... "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to.. all of lifes problems!" :laugh:
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Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. (It is akin to a Math Degree at a Science based university) Admittedly, back in Uni, we did make fun of the education majors and soft sciences. My favorite method of doing so was taking a class no CS major would dare take and blow the curve.
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Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. (It is akin to a Math Degree at a Science based university)
here in my lovely country Malaysia... its different... most of the high school grad took CS coz they think CS is "easy"... and they end up being a useless CS graduate... and in my batch last time... im the only one who like programming... others hate programming...
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: good CS curriculum involves as much math True. And good aptitude and reasoning power besides a logical coherant approach to problem-solving.
But not the ability to program...
JasonCordes wrote:
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: good CS curriculum involves as much math True. And good aptitude and reasoning power besides a logical coherant approach to problem-solving. But not the ability to program...
dats true enough... i couldnt agree more...
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
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MarkBrock wrote:
they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is
DW. If they really were that much smarter, they would be finding their programs easier, not harder. They're just trying to compensate for their feelings of inferiority/fear of failure by trying to bignote themselves.
T-Mac-Oz
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One thing that really gets under my skin here at university is whenever i'm talking to someone who's doing a higher program than me, they always seem to make sure that I know how much harder their program is, and how much smarter they are. Can't a guy have a beer without someone trying to make him feel like cr@p?!?!
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
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Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. (It is akin to a Math Degree at a Science based university) Admittedly, back in Uni, we did make fun of the education majors and soft sciences. My favorite method of doing so was taking a class no CS major would dare take and blow the curve.
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway> Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. No way, it does require a different skill set to say ... Chemistry, or Psychology, but that does not make it more difficult. I studied Computer Science because i like it and im good at it. I would hate to have spend my time at Uni writing 5000 word essays like they do in the Arts, or memorizing hundreds of formulae and proofs like they do in other Sciences. Computer Science, for me at least, was the EASY option. I would have crapped out in other faculties.
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Computer Science is one of the most difficult programs available. (It is akin to a Math Degree at a Science based university) Admittedly, back in Uni, we did make fun of the education majors and soft sciences. My favorite method of doing so was taking a class no CS major would dare take and blow the curve.
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayUmmmm, WHAT?!?!? OK, maybe Im gifted (I am sitting on a HD GPA; tho I suspect I'm going to blow that next semester with the next Maths I have to do), but CS being one of the most difficult programs? OK, its definately harder core than IT (Bah, we all Laugh at IT undergrads), but lets see, its NOT B.Med and its NOT B.Law (I have good friends in both and they do a WHOLE lot more work than me)... Its not even Engineering (to which I am jumping to shortly; well combined CS/Engineering)... So really, CS isnt that diffcult... Maybe its one of the more difficult three year programs, but yeah the 4 and 5 year programs make CS look simple as p|ss! From my experience, difficult is stuff like Engineering Mechatronics, Computer or Electrical - those guys have to do a LOT more Physics and Maths than us CS/Software Engineering types! Still at the end of the day, how hard a program is, is RELATIVE! To me, Bachelor of Medicine is IMPOSSIBLE - not so much the content, but the COMMITMENT (You have to LIVE and BREATH that subject, every single day for 6-7 years)... To me B.Law is IMPOSSIBLE - I just couldn't hack all the Reading and Writing Essay after Essay... B.Math or B.Physics - FORGET IT GUYS!! BUT the reverse also holds true. The B.Law and B.Med guys look at what I'm doing and the have NO idea... to them what I am doing is Impossible (exception, one of the Maths guys, but he did combined B.Math/B.CS) To our original poster though, FORGET IT! Life is full of ppl who want to tell you they're better than you for X, Y and Z reason! most of the time, they're telling you that sh|t to massage theyre own ego... Be happy with CS (I am)... Its fun! And realistically (at least where I am) a good stepping stone to one of the B.Engineering degree's or a combined Degree (as I said above, Im about to jump to combined B.CS/Software Engineering)... Enjoy it... And do as much digital circuit design as you can - its just plain fun!
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Ummmm, WHAT?!?!? OK, maybe Im gifted (I am sitting on a HD GPA; tho I suspect I'm going to blow that next semester with the next Maths I have to do), but CS being one of the most difficult programs? OK, its definately harder core than IT (Bah, we all Laugh at IT undergrads), but lets see, its NOT B.Med and its NOT B.Law (I have good friends in both and they do a WHOLE lot more work than me)... Its not even Engineering (to which I am jumping to shortly; well combined CS/Engineering)... So really, CS isnt that diffcult... Maybe its one of the more difficult three year programs, but yeah the 4 and 5 year programs make CS look simple as p|ss! From my experience, difficult is stuff like Engineering Mechatronics, Computer or Electrical - those guys have to do a LOT more Physics and Maths than us CS/Software Engineering types! Still at the end of the day, how hard a program is, is RELATIVE! To me, Bachelor of Medicine is IMPOSSIBLE - not so much the content, but the COMMITMENT (You have to LIVE and BREATH that subject, every single day for 6-7 years)... To me B.Law is IMPOSSIBLE - I just couldn't hack all the Reading and Writing Essay after Essay... B.Math or B.Physics - FORGET IT GUYS!! BUT the reverse also holds true. The B.Law and B.Med guys look at what I'm doing and the have NO idea... to them what I am doing is Impossible (exception, one of the Maths guys, but he did combined B.Math/B.CS) To our original poster though, FORGET IT! Life is full of ppl who want to tell you they're better than you for X, Y and Z reason! most of the time, they're telling you that sh|t to massage theyre own ego... Be happy with CS (I am)... Its fun! And realistically (at least where I am) a good stepping stone to one of the B.Engineering degree's or a combined Degree (as I said above, Im about to jump to combined B.CS/Software Engineering)... Enjoy it... And do as much digital circuit design as you can - its just plain fun!
Keep in mind that in the United States a Bachelor of Science degree is a 4/5 year program. These days it is more like 5. In the schools I went to CS took the same math and physics as the engineers. (Actually more)
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Keep in mind that in the United States a Bachelor of Science degree is a 4/5 year program. These days it is more like 5. In the schools I went to CS took the same math and physics as the engineers. (Actually more)
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayAh OK, then your B.CS sounds more like my B.Software Engineering or even B.Computer Engineering. We do the same math as B.Software Eng, but the B.Computer Eng guys have go do the Physics and HEAVIER maths again! Tis why I'm NOT jumping to Combined Computer Eng/CS - Maths is proving my weakness this time thru school! And just to re-iterate what I said earlier (now that Im awake), dont pay any attention to ppl who want to bag you out for CS. As other here have said also, the 'difficulty' of one degree program to another is relative to the person.