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  • L leppie

    Christopher Duncan wrote:

    Color me stupid - I don't get it.

    What dont you get, all the information? :confused: I meant it as a compliment. The documentation exceeded my expectation by far, and I even learnt a few new things.

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    Christopher Duncan
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    leppie wrote:

    I meant it as a compliment.

    That's the part I didn't get. :) I've become so accustomed to the incredibly poor quality of documentation coming from MS these days that I just assumed it was a well deserved snarky commentary. Quality documentation from MSDN - who knew?

    Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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      Delegate..::.CreateDelegate Method (Type, Object, MethodInfo, Boolean) [^] Wow :)

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      Maximilien
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      I half-expected the "good" documentation to be added in the "community content section". BTW, you should write something there saying that documentation DID actually help you.

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        Delegate..::.CreateDelegate Method (Type, Object, MethodInfo, Boolean) [^] Wow :)

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        Chris Losinger
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        can it create SuperDelegates ?

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          Delegate..::.CreateDelegate Method (Type, Object, MethodInfo, Boolean) [^] Wow :)

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          Brady Kelly
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          Hmm, tickles the brain. I came close to using that method for some arcane 'very cool to have' feature I wanted to implement about a year ago. Right now it's just TMI.

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            can it create SuperDelegates ?

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            Marc Clifton
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            Chris Losinger wrote:

            can it create SuperDelegates ?

            They're called "events". ;P Marc

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              can it create SuperDelegates ?

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              leppie
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              Basically the cool thing about that page is that you can 'bind' the first parameter of the delegate, so in effect you can create 'composed' expressions.

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              • L leppie

                Basically the cool thing about that page is that you can 'bind' the first parameter of the delegate, so in effect you can create 'composed' expressions.

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                Don't see where that greatly helps you, perhaps I'm missing a particular scenario as you can either pass another expression which converts to object (blewh) or you could just go and do composition with Func<T,..> No? If you want expression templates well, C# doesn't have them; they designed the tedium of C# compiler away with that signature :)

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                  leppie wrote:

                  I meant it as a compliment.

                  That's the part I didn't get. :) I've become so accustomed to the incredibly poor quality of documentation coming from MS these days that I just assumed it was a well deserved snarky commentary. Quality documentation from MSDN - who knew?

                  Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                  Chris Maunder
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                  That's exactly my reaction. I was thinking "hang on - this actually looks really good. Why is he dissing it". Then I turned off auto-sarcasm and it became clear.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    That's exactly my reaction. I was thinking "hang on - this actually looks really good. Why is he dissing it". Then I turned off auto-sarcasm and it became clear.

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                    Christopher Duncan
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                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    Then I turned off auto-sarcasm

                    Yeah, it took me a minute to remember where the switch was.

                    Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                      Delegate..::.CreateDelegate Method (Type, Object, MethodInfo, Boolean) [^] Wow :)

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                      Member 96
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                      Yeah that is pretty good. For once even their example code isn't unnecessarily convoluted and complex for no apparent reason (something they've always been guilty of). I like the redesign too (I've been avoiding MSDN for probably a year now at least).


                      "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        That's exactly my reaction. I was thinking "hang on - this actually looks really good. Why is he dissing it". Then I turned off auto-sarcasm and it became clear.

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        leppie
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                        Hey, I dont always rant! :) PS: I even took the time to explain to the author why I called her article 'Useless'.

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                          Don't see where that greatly helps you, perhaps I'm missing a particular scenario as you can either pass another expression which converts to object (blewh) or you could just go and do composition with Func<T,..> No? If you want expression templates well, C# doesn't have them; they designed the tedium of C# compiler away with that signature :)

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                          Basically it lets you make curried functions (functions with 1 free variable). So imagine you have foo(a,b). Now you can say bar(b) = foo(1,b). And call bar(x), and foo(1,x) gets executed.

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                            Chris Maunder wrote:

                            Then I turned off auto-sarcasm

                            Yeah, it took me a minute to remember where the switch was.

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                            I'm middle-aged. My switch atrophied and fell off years ago.

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                              Chris Maunder wrote:

                              Then I turned off auto-sarcasm

                              Yeah, it took me a minute to remember where the switch was.

                              Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                              Vincent Curry
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                              Maybe we should have a new rule for posting in the Lounge, as in all posts should be sarcastic?

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                                Maybe we should have a new rule for posting in the Lounge, as in all posts should be sarcastic?

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                                Dan Neely
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                                Vincent Curry wrote:

                                Maybe we should have a new rule for posting in the Lounge, as in all posts should be sarcastic?

                                That's an utterly brillant idea.

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  That's exactly my reaction. I was thinking "hang on - this actually looks really good. Why is he dissing it". Then I turned off auto-sarcasm and it became clear.

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                  stevev6
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                                  Sounds like something that Ms. Clinton would use.

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                                  • L leppie

                                    Basically it lets you make curried functions (functions with 1 free variable). So imagine you have foo(a,b). Now you can say bar(b) = foo(1,b). And call bar(x), and foo(1,x) gets executed.

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                                    Not sure what you're trying to do with it again but I think people are doing that without explicit CreateDelegate (should be "new delegate" construct generated by compiler) or whatever it was along the shorthand lines of: public static Func< T, Func<U, Z>> Curry<T, U, Z>(Func<T, U, Z> fn) { return new Func<Func<T, U, Z>, Func<T, Func<U, Z>>>( f => x => y => f(x, y))(fn); } if that makes any sense. Probably not what you want but you can split it up and use extension methods. It doesn't look good to me, because it is pure C# unreadable :)

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                                      Not sure what you're trying to do with it again but I think people are doing that without explicit CreateDelegate (should be "new delegate" construct generated by compiler) or whatever it was along the shorthand lines of: public static Func< T, Func<U, Z>> Curry<T, U, Z>(Func<T, U, Z> fn) { return new Func<Func<T, U, Z>, Func<T, Func<U, Z>>>( f => x => y => f(x, y))(fn); } if that makes any sense. Probably not what you want but you can split it up and use extension methods. It doesn't look good to me, because it is pure C# unreadable :)

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                                      leppie
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                                      That is exactly what I am saying :) But this way allows you to do it to languages that does not support that compiler construct, or programatically.

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                                        Vincent Curry wrote:

                                        Maybe we should have a new rule for posting in the Lounge, as in all posts should be sarcastic?

                                        That's an utterly brillant idea.

                                        You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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                                        SimonRigby
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                                        dan neely wrote:

                                        That's an utterly brillant idea.

                                        OK was that sarcasm? :)

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                                        • C Christopher Duncan

                                          leppie wrote:

                                          I meant it as a compliment.

                                          That's the part I didn't get. :) I've become so accustomed to the incredibly poor quality of documentation coming from MS these days that I just assumed it was a well deserved snarky commentary. Quality documentation from MSDN - who knew?

                                          Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com

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                                          JamminJimE
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                                          Wow! It's almost like a bigfoot sighting or UFO encounter (except this time we DIDN'T get probed)! You know, they are going to read these posts and IMMEDIATELY take down that page. Everyone, QUICK!!! Save that HTML to your local machine. That way we have proof!! hehehehe :laugh:

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