I had to laugh...
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I think I figured out what he meant; see my reply to Nish Bot below. He didn't exactly make things clear by brining in undies.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
I still think it was some sort of Freudian slip concerning BDSM with fat_boy. X| ;P
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
the point here is that these Muslims *chose* to immigrate to a western country but refuse to abide by its rules
Perhaps Adnan's point* was that fats is stupid to equate wearing burqas (or are they hijabs?) with oppression? If so, I have to entirely agree with Adnan. If a Muslim woman chooses to wear a burqa of her own free will, she has every right to. * The fact that his English is almost as twisted as his mind doesn't help matters :laugh: Half the time I have a hard time figuring out what he's trying to say.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Perhaps Adnan's point* was that fats is stupid to equate wearing burqas (or are they hijabs?) with oppression?
Uhm I don't know if that's what he meant. Seemed to me Adnan was saying that disallowing women from wearing it (as it happened in some UK schools recently) is oppression too.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
If a Muslim woman chooses to wear a burqa of her own free will, she has every right to.
Absolutely. But I bet there are many women who have to - I mean their only other option is probably death by honor killing!
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Half the time I have a hard time figuring out what he's trying to say.
Yes, deciphering some of Adnan's posts can be an exercise in guess work and verbal dissection :-)
Regards, Nish
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I think I figured out what he meant; see my reply to Nish Bot below. He didn't exactly make things clear by brining in undies.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
He didn't exactly make things clear by brining in undies.
Interestingly enough his analogy of people being forced to not wear any underwear was in the news recently in Kerala. Some temple had prohibited its employees from wearing any underwear while at work (because they received lots of money and valuables as donations daily and they feared these employees would steal them out inside their underwear). Anyway the human rights commission interfered and these poor workers can now safely wear their underwear without fear of breaking any work rules! I couldn't dig up a link right now (it's hard to google for something like underwear and get non-pr0n links)!
Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
the point here is that these Muslims *chose* to immigrate to a western country but refuse to abide by its rules
Perhaps Adnan's point* was that fats is stupid to equate wearing burqas (or are they hijabs?) with oppression? If so, I have to entirely agree with Adnan. If a Muslim woman chooses to wear a burqa of her own free will, she has every right to. * The fact that his English is almost as twisted as his mind doesn't help matters :laugh: Half the time I have a hard time figuring out what he's trying to say.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
In the UK they can choose to wear it; in the muslim (for the most part) world they have no choice. It is, therefore, a bit rich to accuse the UK of oppression when they ar efree to do as they please; i.e. wear a tent and protest that they are being oppressed. Wonder what would happen if they tried to do that in Pakistan or Saudia Arabia? Death by stoning, perhaps? How very civilised and non-oppressive.
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You have no idea what you are talking about: niether of those statements are remotely true. You are an idiot and, worse, an utterly ignorant one.
adhominem is best defence of yours. you entertained me yet again.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
if I force you not to wear underwear, it means i am being unjust with you.
You are correct. However, it has nothing to do with this discussion.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
being a wicked again?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
So according to that, forcing someone to wear someone to wear something or NOT to wear something is called oppression.
Adnan, While your statement is fair, the point here is that these Muslims *chose* to immigrate to a western country but refuse to abide by its rules. Imagine how it'd be if American women moved to Saudi Arabia and insisted on driving cars, not wearing veils and travelling with men? I am sure they'd all be sentenced to death.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linki find a jew wearing cap all the time whether it's US or somewhere else so the sikhs. SO why do you all get turned on if a Muslim practise his/her religion with his own choice? hypocrisy must be redefined for non-Muslims.
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In the UK they can choose to wear it; in the muslim (for the most part) world they have no choice. It is, therefore, a bit rich to accuse the UK of oppression when they ar efree to do as they please; i.e. wear a tent and protest that they are being oppressed. Wonder what would happen if they tried to do that in Pakistan or Saudia Arabia? Death by stoning, perhaps? How very civilised and non-oppressive.
hey kid how many Muslim states have you visited yourself? now don't give me any media link to prove your lame point.
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When are you off to meet your 72 virgins? Hurry, or you might miss them.
whenever you get ur so called hole-ly land.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
So according to that, forcing someone to wear someone to wear something or NOT to wear something is called oppression.
Adnan, While your statement is fair, the point here is that these Muslims *chose* to immigrate to a western country but refuse to abide by its rules. Imagine how it'd be if American women moved to Saudi Arabia and insisted on driving cars, not wearing veils and travelling with men? I am sure they'd all be sentenced to death.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Imagine how it'd be if American women moved to Saudi Arabia and insisted on driving cars, not wearing veils and travelling with men? I am sure they'd all be sentenced to death.
yet another proof of ignorance. American women troops in in KSA don't wear Hijab so the other foreign women in Riyadh and other don't practise Islamic dress. I think you guys trust in media more than your past religion X|
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adhominem is best defence of yours. you entertained me yet again.
It's not ad-hominem since I was stating a well observed fact.
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Definition of oppressive[^]. So according to that, forcing someone to wear someone to wear something or NOT to wear something is called oppression. That means, if I force you not to wear underwear, it means i am being unjust with you. Hope you got now.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
forcing someone to wear something or NOT to wear something is called oppression.
Yes. It is a form of oppression. Oppression does not have to come from the government. It can come from within the home. The male members of Muslim society are known to be "overpowering" in their demands that women cover themselves. To quote an example from one of the dictionary items YOU linked to of oppression: "a tyrannical parent".
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
That means, if I force you not to wear underwear, it means i am being unjust with you.
That is correct. If you force me not to wear underwear then you are being, not only, unjust, but also you are oppressing my desire to wear underwear. You are humiliating me.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
the point here is that these Muslims *chose* to immigrate to a western country but refuse to abide by its rules
Perhaps Adnan's point* was that fats is stupid to equate wearing burqas (or are they hijabs?) with oppression? If so, I have to entirely agree with Adnan. If a Muslim woman chooses to wear a burqa of her own free will, she has every right to. * The fact that his English is almost as twisted as his mind doesn't help matters :laugh: Half the time I have a hard time figuring out what he's trying to say.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
If a Muslim woman chooses to wear a burqa of her own free will, she has every right to.
If it is of her own free will then she has every right to wear it. However, if it is not free will then it is oppression. Also, while she may freely wish to wear a hijab or burqua (which ever is the one covering everything but the eyes) it must fit properly. There have been a number of near accidents where I live because of Muslim women not wearing properly fitting clothing and it obscures their vision. Unless an accident actually occurs the police are mostly unwilling to do anything because they are fearful of being called racist even although these women are committing driving offences due to their inability to properly control the vehicle.
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hey kid how many Muslim states have you visited yourself? now don't give me any media link to prove your lame point.
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If they don't like how we do things they could always fuck off back to Pakistan or the Middle East or Saudia Arabia and get beaten up and married off or honour killed or whatver those non-oppressive regimes allow. Fucking idiots. :mad::mad::mad:
Or you f**king British could have left the rest of the world alone and not colonized India/Pakistan. Now your colonials are reverse colon-izing your sorry arses and you don't appreciate the f**king irony.
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funny coming from a follower of a religion which forces one to wear a lil cap on head all the time even in underwear and forces believers to recruit in Army after 15 even if someone is not willing because it was said in a BOOK. Irony! eheh
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Or you f**king British could have left the rest of the world alone and not colonized India/Pakistan. Now your colonials are reverse colon-izing your sorry arses and you don't appreciate the f**king irony.
Sadly you have it bang on the nose. Bear in mind, however, colonial, that you wouldn't have a country right now if it wasn't for the British. And where the fuck is our tax???
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
hey kid how many Muslim states have you visited yourself?
And how much time have you spent in the United States? Yet you have such a steaming pile of misinformation about us.
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once. so? as far as misinformaton, Americans themselves know less about their own country than others.
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Sadly you have it bang on the nose. Bear in mind, however, colonial, that you wouldn't have a country right now if it wasn't for the British. And where the fuck is our tax???
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digital man wrote:
And where the f*** is our tax???
I don't know. Where the fuck is it mother fucker!!!@
You've missed the point: presumably history and irony pass you by.