AVCHD
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
I know this doesn't help you at all, but we just got a Flip[^] video camera just because we didn't want to screw around with formats and the like. For a brief moment we looked at getting a better format camera, but quickly realized that every extra bit of bulkyness meant even less time using it. It's one of those really limited devices, but seems to do it's one task rather well. On top of that, it's small enough that it doesn't attract my son's attention which the more complicated cameras do.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
I have a Sony HDR-CX7 and agree about the AVCHD format - I convert everything to mpeg with a utility that came with the camera. The latest version of MAGIX Movie Edt Pro (V14) supports AVCHD, but requires a processor that is way more powerful that the one I have. Ulead VideoStudio 11 says it supports the format too, but it chrashes when I try to load clips into it (probably because of my CPU too). The last group I converted from AVCHD to mpeg took about 66 hours to convert 3 hours of video (about 9Gb worth) and another 40 hours to generate 2 DVDs using Roxio VideoWave 10 / MyDVD 10 :sigh:
Steve
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I know this doesn't help you at all, but we just got a Flip[^] video camera just because we didn't want to screw around with formats and the like. For a brief moment we looked at getting a better format camera, but quickly realized that every extra bit of bulkyness meant even less time using it. It's one of those really limited devices, but seems to do it's one task rather well. On top of that, it's small enough that it doesn't attract my son's attention which the more complicated cameras do.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Been reading about the Flip and it seems like a great device. Whats the quality like when piped to a TV? Also, what are the files that come off it, can you store end edit it with pretty much anything? And size wise what does it compare to? Two packs of cigarettes?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Been reading about the Flip and it seems like a great device. Whats the quality like when piped to a TV? Also, what are the files that come off it, can you store end edit it with pretty much anything? And size wise what does it compare to? Two packs of cigarettes?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
I haven't tried it piped directly to a TV just yet, we got one on Friday. The files are stored as avis on the device with this codec[^], so you you should be able to edit it with just about anything. The codec is stored on the device so you can install it when you plug it in. It worked fine on our PC, not sure how well it works on those other systems. :). It's the size of about a pack and a half of cigarettes placed end to end, but not quite as thick. The included editing software exports as wmv, but my wife took the raw avi and converted it to flash for our web site: brummerfamily[^].
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
While recording to flash memory is really helpful I actually just purchased an HD Canon HV20. The HV20 records to MiniDV and from all the stuff I've been reading, MiniDV tapes still have a relatively strong resolution advantage over flash and HDD camcorders and I get to avoid the AVCHD mess. You can find the HV20 really cheap due to the HV30 coming out recently, I got mine for US$530 from Circuit City. I think you can find similar deals on the HF10 which is really similar to the HF100 but doesn't have the internal memory. I'd rather have a second memory card and save a couple hundred dollars than have internal flash memory to be truthful. At least this way you could use that second card in your other gear too. Some stores don't advertise these older models on their websites so you have to call in to see if they still have them in stock and if they will give you a deal but its definitely worth it. The imaging systems in the older and newer models are identical, its mostly just cosmetic and other minor changes. Good luck!
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While recording to flash memory is really helpful I actually just purchased an HD Canon HV20. The HV20 records to MiniDV and from all the stuff I've been reading, MiniDV tapes still have a relatively strong resolution advantage over flash and HDD camcorders and I get to avoid the AVCHD mess. You can find the HV20 really cheap due to the HV30 coming out recently, I got mine for US$530 from Circuit City. I think you can find similar deals on the HF10 which is really similar to the HF100 but doesn't have the internal memory. I'd rather have a second memory card and save a couple hundred dollars than have internal flash memory to be truthful. At least this way you could use that second card in your other gear too. Some stores don't advertise these older models on their websites so you have to call in to see if they still have them in stock and if they will give you a deal but its definitely worth it. The imaging systems in the older and newer models are identical, its mostly just cosmetic and other minor changes. Good luck!
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Brian Olej wrote:
The HV20 records to MiniDV
How do you get the video onto your computer?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Brian Olej wrote:
The HV20 records to MiniDV
How do you get the video onto your computer?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
I use a firewire cable but it is possible to capture to the PC using HDMI.
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I use a firewire cable but it is possible to capture to the PC using HDMI.
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So you take your video and then come home and plug the camera into your PC with Firewire. It then transfers between the two. Is it 1:1 or speeded up? (e.g. does 60 minutes of footage take 60 minutes to transfer?)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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So you take your video and then come home and plug the camera into your PC with Firewire. It then transfers between the two. Is it 1:1 or speeded up? (e.g. does 60 minutes of footage take 60 minutes to transfer?)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Thats the right process and it's 1:1 but I don't mind, it gives me one more view of the footage before I start editing.
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Isn't this AVC aka MPEG-4?
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it is an extension to the standard MPEG-4 [^]
Steve
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
US$1000, try US$640: (amazon - 'Click here to see the price')[^] Wrt AVCHD: i don't think i'd sweat it, editing is only going to get better as more adopt it (which seems to be a done deal). You may also want to look at the Samsung SC-HMX20C [^] Blurb ..[^] Review ...[^] I still think the hf100 is better overall, but the sammy has some nice features. It would be a contender if it had better low-light performance.
...cmk The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying. - John Carmack
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support.
On AVS Forum, reply to: 'Be careful when using FCE4 to read your movies onto your Apple, I hear they convert the AVCHD into Apple's intermediate format, which can produce losses' #1135[^]
...cmk The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying. - John Carmack
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I'm still trying to hock a kidney to afford a Canon HF100 (how annoying is it that a camera costing US$1000 costs €1000.) One concern is this blasted AVCHD format. Apparently it is a dog to edit. Not many apps support it and those that do often seem to involve converting to lesser resolutions and CRAY super computers for 5 minute clips. Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support. God knows how long 60 minutes of my unborn son giggling is going to take to edit. Probably even longer than what it feels like for family and friends to watch ;) Anyone worked with AVCHD? Most of the time I'll be archiving to external HDs and putting up 5 minute clips to Vimeo for my folks back home to see. Occasionally I'll want to watch it on my Sony HDTV. And hey, if George Lucas can get Jar Jar Binks onto a gazillion cinema screens I have a pretty good chance. I must say, video formats are generally a PITA. Why did they make them so complicated? (It's tough having my problems. :rolleyes: )
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
Canon HF100
I made the step and bought a CANON HF10 (not 100), so the one with integrated Flash, because: - I find recording on DVD simply not handy. - HDs is nothing for me (due to shocks and knowing my wife not being very careful and so) - Flash is simply too easy. - Reviews say it is the best Camcorder on the market. I bought it in the UK (Internet) for 700€, including shipping. LTIC you were not so far from there :-) . It records in NTSC format (so not european PAL/SECAM), but I do not think that matters anymore (unless you want to burn DVDs in PAL for PAL DVD readers). AFAIK, AVCHD cannot be viewed anywhere but on a PC for the moment, so forget the HDTV (or maybe with quality loss). And I confirm that it is a PITA to edit. But for the moment, I do not care. And I am waiting for the technology to evolve to be able to cope with that later.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Canon HF100
I made the step and bought a CANON HF10 (not 100), so the one with integrated Flash, because: - I find recording on DVD simply not handy. - HDs is nothing for me (due to shocks and knowing my wife not being very careful and so) - Flash is simply too easy. - Reviews say it is the best Camcorder on the market. I bought it in the UK (Internet) for 700€, including shipping. LTIC you were not so far from there :-) . It records in NTSC format (so not european PAL/SECAM), but I do not think that matters anymore (unless you want to burn DVDs in PAL for PAL DVD readers). AFAIK, AVCHD cannot be viewed anywhere but on a PC for the moment, so forget the HDTV (or maybe with quality loss). And I confirm that it is a PITA to edit. But for the moment, I do not care. And I am waiting for the technology to evolve to be able to cope with that later.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverbGot any negative points on the HF10? Image quality what you expected? What is the battery life like in real use? What are you doing with your video files now, transferring to PC and... ?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Best solution so far, for Mac OS X, seems to be Final Cut Express 4.0 which has AVCHD support.
On AVS Forum, reply to: 'Be careful when using FCE4 to read your movies onto your Apple, I hear they convert the AVCHD into Apple's intermediate format, which can produce losses' #1135[^]
...cmk The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying. - John Carmack
This is so confusing. Another forum I read said that yes, it transfers to AIC but that no information is lost.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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US$1000, try US$640: (amazon - 'Click here to see the price')[^] Wrt AVCHD: i don't think i'd sweat it, editing is only going to get better as more adopt it (which seems to be a done deal). You may also want to look at the Samsung SC-HMX20C [^] Blurb ..[^] Review ...[^] I still think the hf100 is better overall, but the sammy has some nice features. It would be a contender if it had better low-light performance.
...cmk The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying. - John Carmack
cmk wrote:
Wrt AVCHD: i don't think i'd sweat it, editing is only going to get better as more adopt it (which seems to be a done deal).
Yeah but AVCHD has been around since mid 2006 and we are now in 2008 still with spotty, bad support. Weird. Makes me wonder if it is a format that will last.
cmk wrote:
You may also want to look at the Samsung SC-HMX20C [^]
That is a very cool looking body. Thanks.
cmk wrote:
US$1000, try US$640: (amazon - 'Click here to see the price')[^]
Be nice if I could order from Amazon US but they won't deliver that to Ireland :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Got any negative points on the HF10? Image quality what you expected? What is the battery life like in real use? What are you doing with your video files now, transferring to PC and... ?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
ot any negative points on the HF10
Not for the moment. But I've been owing it for a week or so.
Paul Watson wrote:
Image quality what you expected?
Yes, awesome.
Paul Watson wrote:
What is the battery life like in real use
About 50 minutes. It states 80 when it is loaded, but you see it decrease quicker than 1 min every min. But 50 minutes are more than I need. I will probably buy another battery though, just in case.
Paul Watson wrote:
What are you doing with your video files now, transferring to PC and... ?
... keep them on one of my 500G hard drive. My computer is quite old now, and I will need to update before being able to edit. I have to say that it is my first camcorder ever, so I cannot compare with other ones.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb