Death Senatnce
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well, while GWB was governer of Texas he signed 122 death warrants. 25% of those on appeal were found to be completely innocent. 90% of those convicted were black. A bit late to say sorry X| Elaine :rose: Would you like to meet my teddybear ?
Trollslayer (at work) wrote: 90% of those convicted were black. And the point is? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Better still, they should be gene typed and used as trandplant material. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
This actually happens to be a fact in China. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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Trollslayer (at work) wrote: 90% of those convicted were black. And the point is? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
- It's for protection
- Protection from what? Zee Germans?Either 90% of capital crimes were comitted by black people, or the law system is racist -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Trollslayer (at work) wrote: 90% of those convicted were black. And the point is? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
- It's for protection
- Protection from what? Zee Germans?Unless you are suggesting that black people are criminals by nature, it would be fairly safe to deduct that: A: There are quite a few racist judges in Texas, and if racism is the cause of the judgement then there has to be a lot of innocent people among the victims. B: There is not equal opportunities for everyone in Texas, and then it might be a better solution to implement this instead of putting the outcome to sleep forever. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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Trollslayer (at work) wrote: 90% of those convicted were black. And the point is? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
- It's for protection
- Protection from what? Zee Germans?I remember seeing a programme about this. The point was that if you were black you were 50%* more likely to be given a death sentence than if you were white. So it seemed a little bit biased. * I don't remember the exact statistic, so I made this one up, their all lies anyway Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
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Trollslayer (at work) wrote: 90% of those convicted were black. And the point is? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
- It's for protection
- Protection from what? Zee Germans?Ugh... It is a combination of things. 1. It might not be politically correct, but right now crime is a huge problem with blacks. 2. Money makes a huge difference in quality of defense. This is really one of the most broken elements. (Which is why I get pissed off with the "the system is racist" people because that ignores a huge problem that we are more likely to have a chance of fixing.) 3. Racist system. It happens. Probably more that we would like to think. But it happens a lot less that others would like to think. People who don't want to admit #1 is true, try to say #3 and #2 are true. People who don't want to admit #3 is true, try to blame #1 and #2. I am sure there are a fair number of good sources WITHOUT political agendas that can give a good solid breakdown of the numbers. But to just say that the system is racist based on a single percentages is just pure ignorance. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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At leat name my Crime befor you flick the switch ! Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
For Crimes against Cyclists. :laugh:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Whereas the innocent who are found guilty should just happily accept the judgement? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
Of course, as there are no innocents on death row - Judges and Juries are expempt from the clause in human design: "humans make mistakes". I'd bet I, and I am not a laywer, could probably get most of you convicted for the rape of a five year old girl if I used some nice emotive words in my closing speech. :(
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Well, they tried that in Afghanistan in football stadiums, but US bombed the managers and some other foreigners, possibly to avoid having to buy the patent. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
I hear Unisys owns it...
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Well, they tried that in Afghanistan in football stadiums, but US bombed the managers and some other foreigners, possibly to avoid having to buy the patent. "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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Wouldn't it be better when an individaul was found guily of a capily crime that they were led straight out the back of the courthouse and wired up ? Are the leagl hurdles to doing this so great ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: Are the leagl hurdles to doing this so great ? Yes, but the moral hurdles are far greater. Until we develop the technology to reliably look into a persons mind nobody should be executed for crimes they supposedly committed. Even if a person *is* guilty of rape, there may be circumstances around it that are far more important to address than simply providing vengance to the family and a bunch of blood thirsty and totally unaffected people.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Listening to quiet music can seriously damage your credability.
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Colin Davies wrote: Are the leagl hurdles to doing this so great ? Yes, but the moral hurdles are far greater. Until we develop the technology to reliably look into a persons mind nobody should be executed for crimes they supposedly committed. Even if a person *is* guilty of rape, there may be circumstances around it that are far more important to address than simply providing vengance to the family and a bunch of blood thirsty and totally unaffected people.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Listening to quiet music can seriously damage your credability.
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At leat name my Crime befor you flick the switch ! Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Bad spelling.
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Of course, as there are no innocents on death row - Judges and Juries are expempt from the clause in human design: "humans make mistakes". I'd bet I, and I am not a laywer, could probably get most of you convicted for the rape of a five year old girl if I used some nice emotive words in my closing speech. :(
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Listening to quiet music can seriously damage your credability.
"But Ladies and Gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk who carried a gun and ran from the mob. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it. That does not make sense. Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor with a bunch of two-foot-tall Ewoks. That does not make sense. But more important, you have to ask yourself what does this have to do with this case. Nothing. Ladies and Gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case. It does not make sense. Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company producer and entertainer and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and Gentlemen I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense. And so you have to remember when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No. Ladies and Gentlemen of this supposed jury it does not make sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit. I know he seems guilty. But ladies and gentlemen this is Chewbacca. Now think about that for one minute. That does not make sense. Why am I talking about Chewbacca when a man's life is on the line? Why? I'll tell you why. I don't know. It doesn't make sense. If Chewbacca does not make sense you must acquit. Here look at the monkey , look at the silly monkey. The prosecution rests." -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Ugh... It is a combination of things. 1. It might not be politically correct, but right now crime is a huge problem with blacks. 2. Money makes a huge difference in quality of defense. This is really one of the most broken elements. (Which is why I get pissed off with the "the system is racist" people because that ignores a huge problem that we are more likely to have a chance of fixing.) 3. Racist system. It happens. Probably more that we would like to think. But it happens a lot less that others would like to think. People who don't want to admit #1 is true, try to say #3 and #2 are true. People who don't want to admit #3 is true, try to blame #1 and #2. I am sure there are a fair number of good sources WITHOUT political agendas that can give a good solid breakdown of the numbers. But to just say that the system is racist based on a single percentages is just pure ignorance. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: 2. Money makes a huge difference in quality of defense. This is really one of the most broken elements. (Which is why I get pissed off with the "the system is racist" people because that ignores a huge problem that we are more likely to have a chance of fixing.) I love Chris Rock's take on the OJ situation. It was something like this:
If O.J. Simpson was a bus driver, he would not have been found not-guilty.
He would have been Orenthal the Bus Driving Murderer.I agree that money makes a big difference in quality of legal defense, but what would the counteractive measures consist of? Would the government be responsible for providing all lawyers? Or would they just be responsible for paying the fees for whatever attorney you could find? What's to keep a really good defense attorney from saying 'screw this' and taking a high-paying corporate law gig? Or Perhaps we should just expect lawyers to work for free out of the goodness of their hearts! ;P :-D -- Russell Morris "WOW! Chocolate - half price!" - Homer Simpson, while in the land of chocolate.
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not supporting the Highlanders you traitorous northern scum now BEG for mercy and i might commute your sentence to a quick beheading Bryce
yeah, guilty as charged of treason. :-( Take me out the back and lop my head off. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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For Crimes against Cyclists. :laugh:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Listening to quiet music can seriously damage your credability.
But Cycling itself is inhuman, I'm protecting kidz and future generations from having to put up with this atrocious activity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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But Cycling itself is inhuman, I'm protecting kidz and future generations from having to put up with this atrocious activity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Burn the witch ! Ain't nobody ever told you : There ain't no sanity clause .Groucho Marks
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Nice suggestion, but it could become impactibele, due to furnidhing in the courthouse and bystanders who could get caught in the cross fire. Possibly the criminal could be taken to a sports venue, where a large group of the communit could participate in seeing the state || peoples justice being carried out. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Didnt Idi Amin do that ? He used to kill people in stadiums by dropping cars on them . Ain't nobody ever told you : There ain't no sanity clause .Groucho Marks
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Of course, as there are no innocents on death row - Judges and Juries are expempt from the clause in human design: "humans make mistakes". I'd bet I, and I am not a laywer, could probably get most of you convicted for the rape of a five year old girl if I used some nice emotive words in my closing speech. :(
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Listening to quiet music can seriously damage your credability.
The only choice to make about the death sentence is what is the path that kills the least number of innocent people ? The state will kill innocent people by not deterring killers and by giving them an opportunity to kill again . The state can also kill people by killing someone wrongly accused . Either way the state has responsibility for killing innocent people on our behalf (assuming you live in a democracy) . Therefore the state should minimise this killing , and if that means a few innocent people are hung , then so be it. We do not live in a perfect world and the choice sucks , but burying your head in the sand and pretending that not having the death penalty some how relinquishes the state of blame for the death of innocent people is a denial of responsibility. Ain't nobody ever told you : There ain't no sanity clause .Groucho Marks