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    Ray Kinsella
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    I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

    Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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      I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

      Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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      Ray Kinsella wrote:

      Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google.....

      very common on phone interviews. I like to prepare one question that google A) doesn't have or B) alternate answers easily identifiable float to the top. :)

      _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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        Ray Kinsella wrote:

        Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google.....

        very common on phone interviews. I like to prepare one question that google A) doesn't have or B) alternate answers easily identifiable float to the top. :)

        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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        Here is the one I used, when we talk about Operating Systems the term page has few meanings, can you tell me what it means to you ? e.g a Paging File or a Page of memory or the Paging process etc

        Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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          I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

          Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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          So many people seem to treat interviews like a game show. If I win, I am in. I am always brutally honest in interviews, I am clear when I don't know a lot about something. The end result is, they ask deep questions about things I know really well, and they see I know where I need to study to get up to speed on something, and that I am capable of it. I don't think I've ever interviewed for a programming job without getting an offer, except one company, the first I went to. I went back to them a year later and got a job.

          Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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            So many people seem to treat interviews like a game show. If I win, I am in. I am always brutally honest in interviews, I am clear when I don't know a lot about something. The end result is, they ask deep questions about things I know really well, and they see I know where I need to study to get up to speed on something, and that I am capable of it. I don't think I've ever interviewed for a programming job without getting an offer, except one company, the first I went to. I went back to them a year later and got a job.

            Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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            Ray Kinsella
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            I think talking passionately about development is important as well, if you just sit there and talk like its a job ... rather than something you love, and your in trouble.

            Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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              I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

              Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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              All this is interesting to hear, because not only did I not have a telephone interview, at no point during my only interview for this job (Junior Software Engineer) was I asked a single coding/tech question. They were actually quite happy to talk about my 5 years in a pub/restaurant, my customer service skills and how I turned down an assistant manager role there. Very odd indeed... but whatever floats their boat.

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                I think talking passionately about development is important as well, if you just sit there and talk like its a job ... rather than something you love, and your in trouble.

                Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                Christian Graus
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                Yeah, I agree.

                Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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                  Ray Kinsella wrote:

                  Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google.....

                  very common on phone interviews. I like to prepare one question that google A) doesn't have or B) alternate answers easily identifiable float to the top. :)

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                  >I like to prepare one question that google A) doesn't have Keh? Such a thing is possible?

                  regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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                    Here is the one I used, when we talk about Operating Systems the term page has few meanings, can you tell me what it means to you ? e.g a Paging File or a Page of memory or the Paging process etc

                    Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                    Ray Kinsella wrote:

                    when we talk about Operating Systems the term page has few meanings

                    When I talk operating systems I think paging file (virtual memory), a method of artificially increasing memory, developed when RAM was expensive, that swaps applications to disk and back to real-memory. but to me in my job Page is a method of increasing graphics card processing capability by using a pyramid architecture: The full terrain data-set resides on disk, the nearest subsection tiles reside in real-memory, and only the visible terrain tiles reside in graphics memory. Depending on the talent of the programmer, the act of determining when something should be read from desk into memory in preparation for use should be done ahead of when the terrain section is visible, thus making the graphics display smooth and accurate and the paging invisible.

                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                      I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

                      Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                      Nemanja Trifunovic
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                      When I interview people, we have a dialog - it is pretty much impossible to fake with a search engine or a book. I never ask a question and then just let them "talk" :)

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                        >I like to prepare one question that google A) doesn't have Keh? Such a thing is possible?

                        regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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                        At least he achieved immortality for a few years.

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                        Paul Watson wrote:

                        Such a thing is possible?

                        well, I should say that the terms are so general that it is meaningless to google. :) But yes, there are actually things in my business not covered in google, unfortunately, that also means that they are learn-on-the-job activities too.

                        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                          When I interview people, we have a dialog - it is pretty much impossible to fake with a search engine or a book. I never ask a question and then just let them "talk" :)

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                          Or based on his profile and the most latest project that he has completed, we can start the questions and then delve deeper from thereon. Wouldn't that make the candidate comfortable step-by-step?

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                            I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

                            Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                            I would totally do that. :-O That said, i'd probably also be typing up your questions as you asked then...

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                              I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

                              Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                              Recent case in our company: an Indian guy applying for the senior position. The manager told that in the phone interview he has been like a machine – perfect answers for all of the questions. As you probably already presumed the live interview has been a complete disaster. They asked him the very same questions, like the phone one but they haven’t received a single answer. Yes – just a different person! Additionally he claimed that he have a university master degree from India, and also graduated in a college here in US. The gay was in visible age around 20-22 years. The whole thing was just a waste of time for our managers. P.P: Sorry for my painful English.

                              The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.

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                                Recent case in our company: an Indian guy applying for the senior position. The manager told that in the phone interview he has been like a machine – perfect answers for all of the questions. As you probably already presumed the live interview has been a complete disaster. They asked him the very same questions, like the phone one but they haven’t received a single answer. Yes – just a different person! Additionally he claimed that he have a university master degree from India, and also graduated in a college here in US. The gay was in visible age around 20-22 years. The whole thing was just a waste of time for our managers. P.P: Sorry for my painful English.

                                The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.

                                modified on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:45 AM

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                                Not splitting hairs but you mean "guy" don't you, I doubt his sexual orientation was considered at the interview :-)

                                Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                                  Not splitting hairs but you mean "guy" don't you, I doubt his sexual orientation was considered at the interview :-)

                                  Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                                  Thank you! I fixed the mistake. I don’t want to insult anyone.:)

                                  The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.

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                                    Thank you! I fixed the mistake. I don’t want to insult anyone.:)

                                    The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.

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                                    Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                                    I fixed the mistake.

                                    I think you might have missed one, or I have a cached copy... tried flushing the cache and reloading, but still shows one instance of 'guy' yet to be corrected from its mispelling. :)

                                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                      I was phone screening candidates a couple of weeks ago. One particular candidate was pausing before answering every question I asked him. Initially I thought this was a good trait ... like he was thinking the answer through before responding. However it did start to become like speaking to someone over a satellite phone, vaguely annoying. Eventually, listening careful, I figured out what was going on, during each pause I heard the sound of keyboard taps in the background. He was looking the answers up on Google..... :rolleyes:

                                      Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch If its fast and ugly, they will use it and curse you; if its slow they will not use it -- David Cheriton

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                                      I like this guy. He sounds like an excellent candidate for some VB.Net work we've been avoiding... :)

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                                        Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                                        I fixed the mistake.

                                        I think you might have missed one, or I have a cached copy... tried flushing the cache and reloading, but still shows one instance of 'guy' yet to be corrected from its mispelling. :)

                                        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                        :laugh:

                                        The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.

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                                          Yeah, I agree.

                                          Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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                                          Pray they don't ask you about Vista :D

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