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Ok, so reading between the lines, what does this all mean ? Why is MS taking this particular approach ? Who will it really benefit ? BTW: I have my answers to the above questions but I'd like to hear somebody elses. :-) heh why should I always be flamed first ? :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
I think they have their head up their ass and will try to push people to the whole .NET mess. Me, I am just sticking with C/C++ ATM. If they ever phase that out, I will switch to another compiler. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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I think they have their head up their ass and will try to push people to the whole .NET mess. Me, I am just sticking with C/C++ ATM. If they ever phase that out, I will switch to another compiler. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: If they ever phase that out, I will switch to another compiler. Like what? GCC on Linux? :)
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Ok, so reading between the lines, what does this all mean ? Why is MS taking this particular approach ? Who will it really benefit ? BTW: I have my answers to the above questions but I'd like to hear somebody elses. :-) heh why should I always be flamed first ? :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
"Microsoft's ASP.NET Web Matrix Project - a community development tool for building ASP.NET Web applications available for free download. "We need to build a vibrant and healthy developer community. That's the lesson Linux has taught us. Having people to help. Knowing where to get questions answered," Rudder said. " Microsoft is building all those "community" sites, but why don't they just support one that already has a huge following? I went to their community site and it wasn't very good. No DHTML forum, lack of participants, among other things. I would much rather that they buy advertising or something on CP, because I just don't see myself using their community sites..
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I think they have their head up their ass and will try to push people to the whole .NET mess. Me, I am just sticking with C/C++ ATM. If they ever phase that out, I will switch to another compiler. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
I'm still studying .NET stuff although I am yet to actually purchase VS.NET etc. At the end of the day I'll do what the market wants form me. Every time I get asked "Why don't you dev for MAC or LinSux", I find that I can't visualize the same clients as the WinTel empire has hoovered up. I intend to authorize a survey at the end of the year to find out how well the .NET uptake is going. This nonsense talk that MS has staked the company on .NET is an utter fraud being used to panic sell .NET as well. Ver2.NET might be a totally different story, and I really suspect a lot of the current .NET stuff and support will be dropped leaving a lot of devs feeling like goof-balls. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Ok, so reading between the lines, what does this all mean ? Why is MS taking this particular approach ? Who will it really benefit ? BTW: I have my answers to the above questions but I'd like to hear somebody elses. :-) heh why should I always be flamed first ? :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: why should I always be flamed first ? You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining:-) "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Recursion." "Recursion who?" "Knock, knock..."
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"Microsoft's ASP.NET Web Matrix Project - a community development tool for building ASP.NET Web applications available for free download. "We need to build a vibrant and healthy developer community. That's the lesson Linux has taught us. Having people to help. Knowing where to get questions answered," Rudder said. " Microsoft is building all those "community" sites, but why don't they just support one that already has a huge following? I went to their community site and it wasn't very good. No DHTML forum, lack of participants, among other things. I would much rather that they buy advertising or something on CP, because I just don't see myself using their community sites..
I suspect some middle management at MS are power freaks Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Tim Smith wrote: If they ever phase that out, I will switch to another compiler. Like what? GCC on Linux? :)
If I remember correctly, there are at least 3 compilers available for Windows. Intel, Borland, and GCC. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Tim Smith wrote: If they ever phase that out, I will switch to another compiler. Like what? GCC on Linux? :)
There *is* GCC on Win32 as well, i'm sure you're aware...
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
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I'm still studying .NET stuff although I am yet to actually purchase VS.NET etc. At the end of the day I'll do what the market wants form me. Every time I get asked "Why don't you dev for MAC or LinSux", I find that I can't visualize the same clients as the WinTel empire has hoovered up. I intend to authorize a survey at the end of the year to find out how well the .NET uptake is going. This nonsense talk that MS has staked the company on .NET is an utter fraud being used to panic sell .NET as well. Ver2.NET might be a totally different story, and I really suspect a lot of the current .NET stuff and support will be dropped leaving a lot of devs feeling like goof-balls. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: I really suspect a lot of the current .NET stuff and support will be dropped leaving a lot of devs feeling like goof-balls. Same here. I haven't even budgeted for VS.NET for my company until the third quater of 2003 because I suspect there are a lot of big things still to change. I don't want my employees learning something only to have it changed in 6 months. The following things have to happen with every new technology at my company: purchasing upgrades, acquiring expensive training manuals and books, and not to mention the lost productivity of workers taking 3-5 months to learn a new language and framework.
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There *is* GCC on Win32 as well, i'm sure you're aware...
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
Shog9 wrote: There *is* GCC on Win32 as well, i'm sure you're aware... It doesn't mean it will work on "Longhorn" whenever that comes out.
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Shog9 wrote: There *is* GCC on Win32 as well, i'm sure you're aware... It doesn't mean it will work on "Longhorn" whenever that comes out.
The difference being, GCC isn't developed by Microsoft, so it can continue to be ported as long as it is needed.
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
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I suspect some middle management at MS are power freaks Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin, did you ever consider changing your sig? I'm sure there are plenty that are even cooler than your present sig. :) :laugh:
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The difference being, GCC isn't developed by Microsoft, so it can continue to be ported as long as it is needed.
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
Shog9 wrote: The difference being, GCC isn't developed by Microsoft, so it can continue to be ported as long as it is needed. Microsoft may change the OS so significantly that GCC may not even be worth porting to "Longhorn". Remember "Longhorn" will be completely .NET based with Palladuim fully operational(Microsoft or a CA will decide if a program is "safe" to run). Microsoft probably will change it's license so GPL code will not be allowed to run on MS Operating Systems also. I see Microsoft getting more restrictive as time goes on under the guise of "protecting" users from unauthorized programs, worms and viruses.
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Shog9 wrote: The difference being, GCC isn't developed by Microsoft, so it can continue to be ported as long as it is needed. Microsoft may change the OS so significantly that GCC may not even be worth porting to "Longhorn". Remember "Longhorn" will be completely .NET based with Palladuim fully operational(Microsoft or a CA will decide if a program is "safe" to run). Microsoft probably will change it's license so GPL code will not be allowed to run on MS Operating Systems also. I see Microsoft getting more restrictive as time goes on under the guise of "protecting" users from unauthorized programs, worms and viruses.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Remember "Longhorn" will be completely .NET based with Palladuim fully operational(Microsoft or a CA will decide if a program is "safe" to run). As scary as that is, where there's a will there's a way. Notice how MS isn't having that easy a time getting people to use .NET right now... and that's giving away the dev tools. There is a long, long line of failed platforms that didn't make it easy to develope software for them. And as stated, if someone *really* wants to write C++ code for Longhorn, either they will find a way or they will not write for it at all. Martin Marvinski wrote: Microsoft probably will change it's license so GPL code will not be allowed to run on MS Operating Systems also. They would be shooting themselves in the feet. Yep, all three of 'em. Which they just might do. But, that's none of my business. Martin Marvinski wrote: I see Microsoft getting more restrictive as time goes on under the guise of "protecting" users from unauthorized programs, worms and viruses. Microsoft has always desperately wanted to be more restrictive, for the simple reason that the more control they have over a machine, the more money they can make off of it. MS wanted IBM to put a unique ID in the original PC to aid in copyprotection. They'll use any excuse they can find, BUT it can at least be said for them that they are fairly good at recognizing when those excuses won't fly. And the first email worm/DoS attack/Malicious trojan buffer overrun/Marauding Mongol Horde that brings down Palladium will be a serious wake up for those who thought it was worthwhile up to then. Meanwhile, i'll still be sitting here, writing C++ and laaaaughing...!
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
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Colin, did you ever consider changing your sig? I'm sure there are plenty that are even cooler than your present sig. :) :laugh:
Ok, I'll change it shortly, now that it has caught your attention. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Shog9 wrote: The difference being, GCC isn't developed by Microsoft, so it can continue to be ported as long as it is needed. Microsoft may change the OS so significantly that GCC may not even be worth porting to "Longhorn". Remember "Longhorn" will be completely .NET based with Palladuim fully operational(Microsoft or a CA will decide if a program is "safe" to run). Microsoft probably will change it's license so GPL code will not be allowed to run on MS Operating Systems also. I see Microsoft getting more restrictive as time goes on under the guise of "protecting" users from unauthorized programs, worms and viruses.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Remember "Longhorn" will be completely .NET based with Palladuim fully operational(Microsoft or a CA will decide if a program is "safe" to run). Microsoft probably will change it's license so GPL code will not be allowed to run on MS Operating Systems also. Abandon ship! Women and children first, no pushing! C'mon, there's enough life rafts, er, Linux install discs for everyone.... "I was bored last week and a thought occured to me: Why is it that there is a government bureau which oversees alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? I was bored enough to call up the regional office of said bureau... I asked the man who answered the phone "What wine goes best with an M-16?" He did his best to be helpful, "That depends. What are you smoking?" -Unknown
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Remember "Longhorn" will be completely .NET based with Palladuim fully operational(Microsoft or a CA will decide if a program is "safe" to run). Microsoft probably will change it's license so GPL code will not be allowed to run on MS Operating Systems also. Abandon ship! Women and children first, no pushing! C'mon, there's enough life rafts, er, Linux install discs for everyone.... "I was bored last week and a thought occured to me: Why is it that there is a government bureau which oversees alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? I was bored enough to call up the regional office of said bureau... I asked the man who answered the phone "What wine goes best with an M-16?" He did his best to be helpful, "That depends. What are you smoking?" -Unknown
Daniel Ferguson wrote: Abandon ship! Women and children first, no pushing! C'mon, there's enough life rafts, er, Linux install discs for everyone.... "We can make extra rafts out of the other discs - Useless GNU Programs volumes 1-900" Simon "This is an equal opportunities airline. The pilot is blind." Sonork ID 100.10024
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I'm still studying .NET stuff although I am yet to actually purchase VS.NET etc. At the end of the day I'll do what the market wants form me. Every time I get asked "Why don't you dev for MAC or LinSux", I find that I can't visualize the same clients as the WinTel empire has hoovered up. I intend to authorize a survey at the end of the year to find out how well the .NET uptake is going. This nonsense talk that MS has staked the company on .NET is an utter fraud being used to panic sell .NET as well. Ver2.NET might be a totally different story, and I really suspect a lot of the current .NET stuff and support will be dropped leaving a lot of devs feeling like goof-balls. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: clients as the WinTel empire has hoovered up So who's the sucker in this senario? "I was bored last week and a thought occured to me: Why is it that there is a government bureau which oversees alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? I was bored enough to call up the regional office of said bureau... I asked the man who answered the phone "What wine goes best with an M-16?" He did his best to be helpful, "That depends. What are you smoking?" -Unknown
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I suspect some middle management at MS are power freaks Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: I suspect some middle management at MS are power freaks Whatever gave you that idea? :rolleyes: "I was bored last week and a thought occured to me: Why is it that there is a government bureau which oversees alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? I was bored enough to call up the regional office of said bureau... I asked the man who answered the phone "What wine goes best with an M-16?" He did his best to be helpful, "That depends. What are you smoking?" -Unknown
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Daniel Ferguson wrote: Abandon ship! Women and children first, no pushing! C'mon, there's enough life rafts, er, Linux install discs for everyone.... "We can make extra rafts out of the other discs - Useless GNU Programs volumes 1-900" Simon "This is an equal opportunities airline. The pilot is blind." Sonork ID 100.10024
I won't consider them useless if Martin's Orwellian predictions about windows come true. "I was bored last week and a thought occured to me: Why is it that there is a government bureau which oversees alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? I was bored enough to call up the regional office of said bureau... I asked the man who answered the phone "What wine goes best with an M-16?" He did his best to be helpful, "That depends. What are you smoking?" -Unknown