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  • S Simon P Stevens

    Harsh. If it was me I'd be thinking about looking for a new job myself. Even if your not one of the ones who will be let go, the company is clearly struggling so you might be in the next round of redundancies, or worse, the company might just disappear one day and stop paying you!

    Simon

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    Eurosid
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    Simon Stevens wrote:

    Harsh. If it was me I'd be thinking about looking for a new job myself.

    I am. Everybody here is.

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    • E Eurosid

      I've been working to automate some tasks at my job. Now I realize my assignments will eliminate one guy's entire job. I know we will be eliminating a lot of jobs in next 2 months, he will be gone. I am supposed to keep this quiet, but I see this guy every day. :(

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      Seriously, you should take the time to talk to this person and come clean. If you are working on software to replace his job, that person should know about it. Talk to the guy on the down low. Ask him out to lunch tell him what you know. Its not your fault if his job is being automated, that's how things work. But if he gets laid off one day and you could have warned him, then you missed an opportunity to do some good by letting him know so he can prepare...

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      • Z Zhat

        Your comapny has announced a 15% reduction in force...60 days ahead??? My last company made an announcement that "In the next 3 days, we'll be re-organizing all departments, reductions included". Yep, for 3 days work came to a complete stop while people worried over loosing thier job. Me? I packed my desk and took home everything that first day...was gone by day 2....

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        Eurosid
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        Zhat wrote:

        Your comapny has announced a 15% reduction in force...60 days ahead???

        Yes. And they are saying, "Don't let this distract you from your work!!!" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Who is doing anything but thinking of this?

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        • D Diego Moita

          Eurosid wrote:

          he will be gone.

          He's not the only one. Once all tasks are automated and your work is no longer necessary you'll be gone too. That's the price of fast technological changes: no one is safe, only the paranoid survive, etc, etc,... So, are you also ready to look for a new job?


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          Diego Moita wrote:

          He's not the only one. Once all tasks are automated and your work is no longer necessary you'll be gone too. That's the price of fast technological changes: no one is safe, only the paranoid survive, etc, etc,...

          They will send my job to India.

          Diego Moita wrote:

          So, are you also ready to look for a new job?

          Of course. It's just a bad feeling to KNOW this is about to happen to this guy.

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          • T ToddHileHoffer

            Seriously, you should take the time to talk to this person and come clean. If you are working on software to replace his job, that person should know about it. Talk to the guy on the down low. Ask him out to lunch tell him what you know. Its not your fault if his job is being automated, that's how things work. But if he gets laid off one day and you could have warned him, then you missed an opportunity to do some good by letting him know so he can prepare...

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            James R Twine
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            I would advise the opposite, unless you REALLY know the guy well and you REALLY know how he is going to react.    Lots of people do stupid stuff, especially when they think that they are being treated unfairly.  The last think anyone needs is some guy going postal, deleting/corrupting data, causing a scene, stirring up other workers, etc. because they think they are getting jerked.    I once had to work on a project involving scanning and processing of medical insurance/claim forms.  The process involved a lot of DOS boxes and manual copying of files around.  My company was creating a workflow system to add more automation to the process, and consolidating the machines required.  In talking with some of the staff involved, it dawned on me that I was about to eliminate some of their positions.  Did they know about it?  Nope -- too much risk with the information/data they handled each day.    I did feel weird about it for a while, though... It really is hard to talk to people about what they do when you are going to be responsible for elimination of their jobs once you have that information implemented in code.    Peace!

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            • T ToddHileHoffer

              Seriously, you should take the time to talk to this person and come clean. If you are working on software to replace his job, that person should know about it. Talk to the guy on the down low. Ask him out to lunch tell him what you know. Its not your fault if his job is being automated, that's how things work. But if he gets laid off one day and you could have warned him, then you missed an opportunity to do some good by letting him know so he can prepare...

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              ToddHileHoffer wrote:

              Seriously, you should take the time to talk to this person and come clean.

              This is my dilemma. I think I should tell him. But, I have kids to feed and I am afraid of repercussions if it's found out I told him. :(( I have become the chickenshit I always used to hate.

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                And to think, many of the people who understand that still think the American Civil War was about slavery and that the confederate battle flag is racist. Of course that is an argument better left unhad on CP.

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                I don't know how to tell you this, but they are right.

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                • K kenrentz

                  I don't know how to tell you this, but they are right.

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                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                  I merely made a statement. If you want to disagree take it to the soapbox.

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                  • E Eurosid

                    ToddHileHoffer wrote:

                    Seriously, you should take the time to talk to this person and come clean.

                    This is my dilemma. I think I should tell him. But, I have kids to feed and I am afraid of repercussions if it's found out I told him. :(( I have become the chickenshit I always used to hate.

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                    Well, it is your call. If don't know the guy well enough to trust him then don't say anything. Don't get yourself in trouble. But maybe you can ask him if he is a aware what is going on. You should be able to give him a heads up without putting yourself at risk.

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                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                      Potato, potato. (Doesn't work as well in writing)

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      Try Potayto, Pohtahto.

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        Try Potayto, Pohtahto.

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                        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                        I don't think it accurately gets the verbal point across. Besides, my way is funnier.

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                        • E Eurosid

                          I've been working to automate some tasks at my job. Now I realize my assignments will eliminate one guy's entire job. I know we will be eliminating a lot of jobs in next 2 months, he will be gone. I am supposed to keep this quiet, but I see this guy every day. :(

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                          I don't mean to trivialize the situation, but I vaguely remember some BOFH quote (?) that went something along the lines of "shut up, or I'll replace you with a very small shell script"... :|

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                          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                            A computer programmers job is to reduce manpower required to perform tasks. (This is true in 99.9% of cases) I have eliminated a lot of people in my career. I suppose it could get to me but if I don't do it then I wouldn't have a job.

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                            El Corazon
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                            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                            I have eliminated a lot of people in my career.

                            The only person I have eliminated was my high school english teacher, she was forcibly retired following my graduation. I raised enough of a fuss to make sure of that. I have eliminated positions, but never the people, they got utilized elsewhere. perhaps because the two companies I have worked for have always been overworked, we just shift around as I add efficiency.

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                            • E Eurosid

                              I've been working to automate some tasks at my job. Now I realize my assignments will eliminate one guy's entire job. I know we will be eliminating a lot of jobs in next 2 months, he will be gone. I am supposed to keep this quiet, but I see this guy every day. :(

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                              Eurosid wrote:

                              I am supposed to keep this quiet, but I see this guy every day.

                              Using humour is often an effective way to reduce the stress of performing unpleasant tasks: "Knock, knock..." "Who's there?" "Not you anymore."

                              "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                I worked at a place where I realised I could eliminate 2 or 3 jobs (from a 4 man team) with a day's worth of coding. In the end my manager said 'leave enough manual steps to give them something to do'. I left soon after.

                                cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                Roger Wright
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                                Chris Maunder wrote:

                                I left soon after.

                                Was that before or after you realized that your job had been reduced in scope to a few manual steps? ;P

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                                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                  I don't think it accurately gets the verbal point across. Besides, my way is funnier.

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                                  Tom Delany
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                                  Unless you're Dan Quayle. Then it's "Potatoe, Potatoe". ;)

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                                  • E Eurosid

                                    Simon Stevens wrote:

                                    Harsh. If it was me I'd be thinking about looking for a new job myself.

                                    I am. Everybody here is.

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Then all this could become a self-fulfilling prophesy - that's the problem! If the company has been honest about the reductions, they should be aware that the reductions will be higher due to panic job-searching. I know I have worked for a company that "downsized" by a handful which resulted in almost half the company leaving over the next few months - then lack of staff led to higher workloads, led to dissatisfied staff, led to resignations, etc. etc. until they had to have a massive recruitment drive to get people on board. Luckily for me I was head-hunted right in the middle of it all!

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                                    • E Eurosid

                                      Zhat wrote:

                                      Your comapny has announced a 15% reduction in force...60 days ahead???

                                      Yes. And they are saying, "Don't let this distract you from your work!!!" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Who is doing anything but thinking of this?

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                                      Zhat
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                                      If they (everyone) are smart, they're looking for another job. Company says 15% reduction, they really mean 25%-30% (15% reduced, 10%-15% other leaving for new jobs because they fear they're next).

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