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    Jim Crafton
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    I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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      I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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      I have 4 or 5 really good topics sitting down because I just don't have the desire to deal with the criticism from people can't be bothered to even read my GD introduction which explains the purpose of the code. It really just isn't worth it unless you are writing a MS clone to explain something MS was too lazy to document on MSDN. Instead of an article I am going to author a book, I think. Then I don't have to read the criticism and I will be an accepted expert on the subject. There is just something about writing an article online that makes a first year without experience want to tirade against your approach, not because they don't understand but because they didn't take the time to understand. It just makes me want to swear. Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming but I don't want to read the "What's the point from the GDI's" eh, end rant. BTW, I give you man points.

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        I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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        Looks like no one saving an orange...

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        • J Jim Crafton

          I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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          Dirk Higbee
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          I read a lot of articles, but typically never comment or vote. The articles help me learn about different code syntaxes. Go ahead and submit your articles, they are of value to me and others even if we don't comment. Ignore the uni-voters, they are just jealous.

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            I have 4 or 5 really good topics sitting down because I just don't have the desire to deal with the criticism from people can't be bothered to even read my GD introduction which explains the purpose of the code. It really just isn't worth it unless you are writing a MS clone to explain something MS was too lazy to document on MSDN. Instead of an article I am going to author a book, I think. Then I don't have to read the criticism and I will be an accepted expert on the subject. There is just something about writing an article online that makes a first year without experience want to tirade against your approach, not because they don't understand but because they didn't take the time to understand. It just makes me want to swear. Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming but I don't want to read the "What's the point from the GDI's" eh, end rant. BTW, I give you man points.

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            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

            Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming

            I'd read that. I'm into the gaming thing but I'm not an artist so I'll stick with apps.

            "Pigs don't know pigs stink."

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              I have 4 or 5 really good topics sitting down because I just don't have the desire to deal with the criticism from people can't be bothered to even read my GD introduction which explains the purpose of the code. It really just isn't worth it unless you are writing a MS clone to explain something MS was too lazy to document on MSDN. Instead of an article I am going to author a book, I think. Then I don't have to read the criticism and I will be an accepted expert on the subject. There is just something about writing an article online that makes a first year without experience want to tirade against your approach, not because they don't understand but because they didn't take the time to understand. It just makes me want to swear. Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming but I don't want to read the "What's the point from the GDI's" eh, end rant. BTW, I give you man points.

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              Jim Crafton
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              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

              don't have the desire to deal with the criticism

              I could handle criticism. What's slightly disturbing is that there's NOTHING being said. And that strikes me as sad. Forget what the language is, what about the design decisions made? What works, or doesn't work? What could be improved? Oh well.

              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                I have 4 or 5 really good topics sitting down because I just don't have the desire to deal with the criticism from people can't be bothered to even read my GD introduction which explains the purpose of the code. It really just isn't worth it unless you are writing a MS clone to explain something MS was too lazy to document on MSDN. Instead of an article I am going to author a book, I think. Then I don't have to read the criticism and I will be an accepted expert on the subject. There is just something about writing an article online that makes a first year without experience want to tirade against your approach, not because they don't understand but because they didn't take the time to understand. It just makes me want to swear. Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming but I don't want to read the "What's the point from the GDI's" eh, end rant. BTW, I give you man points.

                Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
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                That is so true. I spend most of my time searching for info on some MS feature that someone at MS was too darn lazy to document!

                Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                It really just isn't worth it unless you are writing a MS clone to explain something MS was too lazy to document on MSDN.

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                  I read a lot of articles, but typically never comment or vote. The articles help me learn about different code syntaxes. Go ahead and submit your articles, they are of value to me and others even if we don't comment. Ignore the uni-voters, they are just jealous.

                  "Pigs don't know pigs stink."

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                  Jim Crafton
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                  Well I would humbly ask that you (or anyone else) *do* comment. What struck you as useful? What didn't? Why did it help? Etc. Also vote - if no one (or only a few) vote, then that gives the uni-voter idiots far more "power" than they really deserve.

                  ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                    Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming

                    I'd read that. I'm into the gaming thing but I'm not an artist so I'll stick with apps.

                    "Pigs don't know pigs stink."

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                    justfunnin wrote:

                    I'd read that. I'm into the gaming thing but I'm not an artist so I'll stick with apps.

                    As they used to say when I was going through school, if you are an artist trying to get into gaming, take a couple of programming courses; if you are a programmer trying to get into gamng, take a couple of art courses. At least the perspective can help you interface to a counterpart in a team and give you a better chance. I am one of the few artist/programmers so I got the 50/50 split, programming because I had to give up art for a career. :-D Though personally anymore, I would recommend a creativity boot camp no matter what end of the spectrum you come from. I loved that class at the Game Developer's Conference and highly recommend it to anyone in or outside of the GDC offerings since the guy who does it does boot camps for other groups too.

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                      My work environment involves a great deal of legacy code and applications (legacy meaning: VB6, classic ASP and mainframe applications); we are slowly moving to .NET applications, but, that is on as as-needed basis. So, articles I read will be those that can help me with what I am currently working on. Where I am more likely to find help is in searching the message bases. Yesterday, I was having a problem with classic ASP and global.asa files; a message from 2002 gave me a path to follow that helped resolve the issue. And, to be perfectly honest, I get tired of hearing that unless something is done in C++ or C#, it's garbage... So, I get what I can and leave. I have used articles to assist me, but they have been few and far between. Tim

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                        I think the main problem is the learning curve. I have looked at VCF couple of times before but each time I was unable to put enough effort to learn how to use it. When I learned MFC there were no good alternatives so I *had* to go through the learning curve. Also there was this class hierarchy diagram which helped a lot, maybe something similar for VCF will help getting into it. But the killer feature, atleast for me, was auto generated code. What it did was allowed me to focus more on the functionality rather than GUI. Sure I made lots of stupid mistakes because I didn't understood the basics but it basically kept me using it. Another important thing is support. There are loads of books on MFC as well as forums where I can seek help when I am stuck. Finally, this is a matter of taste, but I hate doxygen style documentation. It is kind of equlivalent of going through source code and reading comments. I like MSDN style - a TreeView on the left and one function or a concept on the right (with links to other relevant sections). This way I have limited information at a time and can focus on what I want to read. I think psychologically very long pages sometimes makes simple things look complex. At least I get nervous every time I come across a library with everything dumped in a single html file. I must say I am saying all this when I looked into VCF sometime back and things might be different now. In that case please ignore my comments. -Saurabh

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                          Marc Clifton
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                          Jim Crafton wrote:

                          Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond?

                          "Latest and greatest" is an amusing phrase. Just this morning I was downloading the Enterprise Application Block (so I could learn from Microsoft's mistakes, I'm implementing a caching block) and there's all this stuff about "Unity". In other words, Microsoft has repackaged AOP and cross cutting, probably stealing in the process PostSharp[^] and rebranding it with the cutesy name "Unity". What BS. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">Jim Crafton wrote:</div>What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering.</blockquote> Ah, well, there's a lot more reasons than feeding the uni-voters! Being able to publish is fantastic. I really couldn't care less about negative feedback at this point, and I definitely appreciate all the positive feedback and constructive criticism (much as I hate that phrase). Just hook the negative input of the op-amp to ground and let the positive input drive the gain. :) Marc

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                          • J Jim Crafton

                            I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

                            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                            I voted your articles 5 because I know VCF is good (worked with a guy who used it on his previous job - a research lab in South Carolina) but did not even read them properly (I read very few articles nowdays), so no comments from me.

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                              Jim Crafton wrote:

                              Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond?

                              "Latest and greatest" is an amusing phrase. Just this morning I was downloading the Enterprise Application Block (so I could learn from Microsoft's mistakes, I'm implementing a caching block) and there's all this stuff about "Unity". In other words, Microsoft has repackaged AOP and cross cutting, probably stealing in the process PostSharp[^] and rebranding it with the cutesy name "Unity". What BS. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">Jim Crafton wrote:</div>What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering.</blockquote> Ah, well, there's a lot more reasons than feeding the uni-voters! Being able to publish is fantastic. I really couldn't care less about negative feedback at this point, and I definitely appreciate all the positive feedback and constructive criticism (much as I hate that phrase). Just hook the negative input of the op-amp to ground and let the positive input drive the gain. :) Marc

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                              Jim Crafton
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                              Marc Clifton wrote:

                              I definitely appreciate all the positive feedback and constructive criticism

                              As do I. However there's *no* feedback. Nada, zip. And that's a bit frustrating.

                              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                              • S Saurabh Garg

                                I think the main problem is the learning curve. I have looked at VCF couple of times before but each time I was unable to put enough effort to learn how to use it. When I learned MFC there were no good alternatives so I *had* to go through the learning curve. Also there was this class hierarchy diagram which helped a lot, maybe something similar for VCF will help getting into it. But the killer feature, atleast for me, was auto generated code. What it did was allowed me to focus more on the functionality rather than GUI. Sure I made lots of stupid mistakes because I didn't understood the basics but it basically kept me using it. Another important thing is support. There are loads of books on MFC as well as forums where I can seek help when I am stuck. Finally, this is a matter of taste, but I hate doxygen style documentation. It is kind of equlivalent of going through source code and reading comments. I like MSDN style - a TreeView on the left and one function or a concept on the right (with links to other relevant sections). This way I have limited information at a time and can focus on what I want to read. I think psychologically very long pages sometimes makes simple things look complex. At least I get nervous every time I come across a library with everything dumped in a single html file. I must say I am saying all this when I looked into VCF sometime back and things might be different now. In that case please ignore my comments. -Saurabh

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                                Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                But the killer feature, atleast for me, was auto generated code. What it did was allowed me to focus more on the functionality rather than GUI.

                                The reason this is so crucial to MFC is because of it's piss poor design. MFC utterly fails without it.

                                Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                I think the main problem is the learning curve.

                                Are you aware that there are over 100 examples, ranging from a simple HelloWorld app to all sort of other apps, both Gui and command line?

                                Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                At least I get nervous every time I come across a library with everything dumped in a single html file.

                                I would too. Which is why I don't dump the doxygen into one html file.

                                Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                Another important thing is support. There are loads of books on MFC as well as forums where I can seek help when I am stuck.

                                You mean these forums[^]? Been around since 2003.

                                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                  I voted your articles 5 because I know VCF is good (worked with a guy who used it on his previous job - a research lab in South Carolina) but did not even read them properly (I read very few articles nowdays), so no comments from me.

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                                  Jim Crafton
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                                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                  worked with a guy who used it on his previous job

                                  Really? Wow, that's always interesting to hear about others using it, not something I actually find out very often. I wonder how it went, or if they still use it (or maybe I don't really want to know... :) ).

                                  ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                  • J Jim Crafton

                                    I recently submitted several new articles and what has surprised me a little is how little response I got. Well actually, pretty much none whatsoever would be more correct. I would have thought that some of the ideas being presented would have interested at least some of the people here, but apparently not. Am I missing something? Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond? People bitch and moan all the time at what Microsoft puts out, but when someone else comes along with an alternative, it's met with silence. I think this is a bit sad, because it means that we are locked into not *only* the development languages that Microsoft chooses to offer, but that even the design of software is now completely driven by them, alternate approaches be damned :( Doubly depressing of course is that despite a fair number of views, the uni-votes shoots the article rating to hell because so few people vote. What was going to be a series of articles now has me asking myself why I'm even bothering. Deduct man-points as you see fit.

                                    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                    SD SteveG
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                                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                                    Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond?

                                    I don't care about VCF... Continue with your passion for VCF.. but quit worrying about achieving some kind of notoriety about this subject.

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                                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                                      Does no one have any interest in anything outside of the latest and greatest that comes out of Redmond?

                                      I don't care about VCF... Continue with your passion for VCF.. but quit worrying about achieving some kind of notoriety about this subject.

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                                      This isn't about the VCF per se. It's about any kind of design idea. Many of the designs in the VCF can be applied to C# (or wherever). Many of the ideas in the VCF come from non-Microsoft sources that have a lot of interesting solutions to common problems. Borland's VCL, Apple's Cocoa, etc. It's about designing a solution to problem, and my concern is that no one seems to give a damn unless the solution comes from Microsoft. I find that curious.

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                                        Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                        But the killer feature, atleast for me, was auto generated code. What it did was allowed me to focus more on the functionality rather than GUI.

                                        The reason this is so crucial to MFC is because of it's piss poor design. MFC utterly fails without it.

                                        Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                        I think the main problem is the learning curve.

                                        Are you aware that there are over 100 examples, ranging from a simple HelloWorld app to all sort of other apps, both Gui and command line?

                                        Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                        At least I get nervous every time I come across a library with everything dumped in a single html file.

                                        I would too. Which is why I don't dump the doxygen into one html file.

                                        Saurabh.Garg wrote:

                                        Another important thing is support. There are loads of books on MFC as well as forums where I can seek help when I am stuck.

                                        You mean these forums[^]? Been around since 2003.

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                                        Saurabh Garg
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                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        The reason this is so crucial to MFC is because of it's piss poor design. MFC utterly fails without it.

                                        I agree somewhat with it, I was just sharing my experience.

                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        Are you aware that there are over 100 examples, ranging from a simple HelloWorld app to all sort of other apps, both Gui and command line?

                                        Yes I am.

                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        I would too. Which is why I don't dump the doxygen into one html file.

                                        Actually in a way you do that. Each class is documented as a single HTML file. And each chapter of reference manual is pretty large.

                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        You mean these forums[^]? Been around since 2003.

                                        I am also aware of forums but there are too few people using them. I am just sharing my experience as someone who tried to use VCF but gave up. -Saurabh

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                                          I have 4 or 5 really good topics sitting down because I just don't have the desire to deal with the criticism from people can't be bothered to even read my GD introduction which explains the purpose of the code. It really just isn't worth it unless you are writing a MS clone to explain something MS was too lazy to document on MSDN. Instead of an article I am going to author a book, I think. Then I don't have to read the criticism and I will be an accepted expert on the subject. There is just something about writing an article online that makes a first year without experience want to tirade against your approach, not because they don't understand but because they didn't take the time to understand. It just makes me want to swear. Actually, I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming but I don't want to read the "What's the point from the GDI's" eh, end rant. BTW, I give you man points.

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                                          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                          deal with the criticism from people can't be bothered

                                          dude, thats what life is all about... if you cant handle critisism then people will walk all up and down your ass. youve got to learn to handle it and realize that most of the idiots posting the bad critisism arent half the programmers you and i are. on the other hand some of the more regular CP posters provide you with constructive critisism which almost defenitly leads to personal growth. thats the very reason i write articles. i like to think of them as(and said it in so man words in my latest article) a personal reference thats in the public domain. if some one wants to break ou down about our work then BLAH to them.

                                          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                          I have one article I want to write on an amazing, non-existent technology that could revolutionize game programming

                                          i too would read that

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