New graphics cards
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I think about buying a new 3D graphics cards for my Athlon 1,2Ghz. Currenty I use a GeForce 2 MX-400 with 64Megs of RAM. It's enough speed so far, but I heard the newer generation cards like the GeForce4TI or the Radeon 8xxx series feature more fancy graphic quality like some Pixel shader stuff and so on that my card doesn't. So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? When I was young my mother told me to clean up my room, I told her -1!
Always buy one or two tiers below the current state of the art unless you've just got to have bleeding edge. Graphics hardware leads game development by a least 6-12 months. Have you ever seen a computer peripheral that, on average, didn't go down in price significantly over such a time frame? Save your money and buy a GF4 Ti4200 (or maybe a Ti4400 if you find a good deal on one). The GF4 Ti4600 will be a bargain by the time games arrive that can actually make good use of it. However, one of the second or third tier GF5 cards will likely offer better performance for about the same price of an older Ti4600 by that time.
"If lobsters looked more like puppies, people wouldn't put them in boiling water while they're still alive." - George Carlin
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Always buy one or two tiers below the current state of the art unless you've just got to have bleeding edge. Graphics hardware leads game development by a least 6-12 months. Have you ever seen a computer peripheral that, on average, didn't go down in price significantly over such a time frame? Save your money and buy a GF4 Ti4200 (or maybe a Ti4400 if you find a good deal on one). The GF4 Ti4600 will be a bargain by the time games arrive that can actually make good use of it. However, one of the second or third tier GF5 cards will likely offer better performance for about the same price of an older Ti4600 by that time.
"If lobsters looked more like puppies, people wouldn't put them in boiling water while they're still alive." - George Carlin
Good advice. Unfortunately Im one of those who must have the bleeding edge in graphics cards. Last november I bought me a GF3. I then sold it and bought the GF4 and 19" monitor. I know it's a waste of money but what the hell :) bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
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I think about buying a new 3D graphics cards for my Athlon 1,2Ghz. Currenty I use a GeForce 2 MX-400 with 64Megs of RAM. It's enough speed so far, but I heard the newer generation cards like the GeForce4TI or the Radeon 8xxx series feature more fancy graphic quality like some Pixel shader stuff and so on that my card doesn't. So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? When I was young my mother told me to clean up my room, I told her -1!
Have an GeForce Ti4400 in my Athlon 1,2 - works like a charm (once I got around the nasty DirectX 8.0 problem - the one with the many weird suggestions to solve it. Problem is, I don' remember which one helped, I think adjusting my BIOS settings did it)
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Hi Stefan, I've bought a GeForce4 TI4200 three weeks ago: it rocks :cool: If you really want to buy a card now, hurry up: Grafikkarten werden leicht teurer [^] Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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"If lobsters looked more like puppies, people wouldn't put them in boiling water while they're still alive." - George Carlin
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I think about buying a new 3D graphics cards for my Athlon 1,2Ghz. Currenty I use a GeForce 2 MX-400 with 64Megs of RAM. It's enough speed so far, but I heard the newer generation cards like the GeForce4TI or the Radeon 8xxx series feature more fancy graphic quality like some Pixel shader stuff and so on that my card doesn't. So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? When I was young my mother told me to clean up my room, I told her -1!
- The best card available on the market will be SIGNIFICANTLY eclipsed the week after you buy it. 2) Buy the best one you can possibly afford. 3) Don't buy the bullshit about games not taking advantage of this card or that card. The ultimate measurement of a gaming card is the FPS and quality. You'll always get the best FPS and best image quality with the most expensive card. The Ti 4600 is the asolute best available for games, no question about it. However.... 4) You're a developer. If you use higher desktop resolutions (1280x1024 or better), you're better off with an ATI card than a card from nVidia. It's a known fact that the nVidia cards are not nearly as crisp in 2D as ATI is. 5) The ATI Radeon 9700 will be out next month (August). Get one, and don't cheap out with an OEM version - get one made *by ATI* and that comes in a retail box. That's the ONLY way to guarantee you get a decent one the first time out of the blocks. The 9700 also out-scores the Ti4600 in games (sometimes by as much as 50% BETTER scores). Of course, you don't have to listen to me, but keep in mind that I've been hand-building my own systems since 1986. I've had to choose between nVidia and ATI a few times in the recent past, and I chose (and will continue to choose) ATI, simply because the 2D is much better. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Thanks for the link to a 100% German language website :wtf: I'm sure that all of the other readers here are as grateful as I am to have such information referenced at the 100% English language CodeProject website :confused:
"If lobsters looked more like puppies, people wouldn't put them in boiling water while they're still alive." - George Carlin
a.r.f. wrote: I'm sure that all of the other readers here are as grateful as I am to have such information referenced at the 100% English language CodeProject website I beg your pardon. How could I post a link to a German site? How ignorant I am... Ok, after some searching I've found an article at DigiTimes [^] If you would like a translation of the original link, try babelfish [^]. It's really funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: BTW, according to demographics.asp at least 2.8% of CPians are German. And because I know Stefan is German too, I've posted that link to a German news site. Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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- The best card available on the market will be SIGNIFICANTLY eclipsed the week after you buy it. 2) Buy the best one you can possibly afford. 3) Don't buy the bullshit about games not taking advantage of this card or that card. The ultimate measurement of a gaming card is the FPS and quality. You'll always get the best FPS and best image quality with the most expensive card. The Ti 4600 is the asolute best available for games, no question about it. However.... 4) You're a developer. If you use higher desktop resolutions (1280x1024 or better), you're better off with an ATI card than a card from nVidia. It's a known fact that the nVidia cards are not nearly as crisp in 2D as ATI is. 5) The ATI Radeon 9700 will be out next month (August). Get one, and don't cheap out with an OEM version - get one made *by ATI* and that comes in a retail box. That's the ONLY way to guarantee you get a decent one the first time out of the blocks. The 9700 also out-scores the Ti4600 in games (sometimes by as much as 50% BETTER scores). Of course, you don't have to listen to me, but keep in mind that I've been hand-building my own systems since 1986. I've had to choose between nVidia and ATI a few times in the recent past, and I chose (and will continue to choose) ATI, simply because the 2D is much better. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 4) You're a developer. If you use higher desktop resolutions (1280x1024 or better), you're better off with an ATI card than a card from nVidia. It's a known fact that the nVidia cards are not nearly as crisp in 2D as ATI is. In this case, I would recommend neither NVidia nor ATI, but Matrox. They have by far the best image quality. Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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a.r.f. wrote: I'm sure that all of the other readers here are as grateful as I am to have such information referenced at the 100% English language CodeProject website I beg your pardon. How could I post a link to a German site? How ignorant I am... Ok, after some searching I've found an article at DigiTimes [^] If you would like a translation of the original link, try babelfish [^]. It's really funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: BTW, according to demographics.asp at least 2.8% of CPians are German. And because I know Stefan is German too, I've posted that link to a German news site. Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.Thanks for the English information :) I just thought it was less than useful to to provide the information as a link to a German site in the context of an overwhelmingly English discussion forum. Yes, I could have run it through a translator. However, a brief English description of the article would have been more useful to me and many others.
"If lobsters looked more like puppies, people wouldn't put them in boiling water while they're still alive." - George Carlin
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 4) You're a developer. If you use higher desktop resolutions (1280x1024 or better), you're better off with an ATI card than a card from nVidia. It's a known fact that the nVidia cards are not nearly as crisp in 2D as ATI is. In this case, I would recommend neither NVidia nor ATI, but Matrox. They have by far the best image quality. Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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a.r.f. wrote: I'm sure that all of the other readers here are as grateful as I am to have such information referenced at the 100% English language CodeProject website I beg your pardon. How could I post a link to a German site? How ignorant I am... Ok, after some searching I've found an article at DigiTimes [^] If you would like a translation of the original link, try babelfish [^]. It's really funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: BTW, according to demographics.asp at least 2.8% of CPians are German. And because I know Stefan is German too, I've posted that link to a German news site. Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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I think about buying a new 3D graphics cards for my Athlon 1,2Ghz. Currenty I use a GeForce 2 MX-400 with 64Megs of RAM. It's enough speed so far, but I heard the newer generation cards like the GeForce4TI or the Radeon 8xxx series feature more fancy graphic quality like some Pixel shader stuff and so on that my card doesn't. So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? When I was young my mother told me to clean up my room, I told her -1!
Stefan Spenz wrote: So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? Buy a PS2, play games not available for the PC, and, when your PC cannot handle new games, change the card. Concussus surgo. When struck I rise.
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The babelfish translation is pretty bad :laugh:
"If lobsters looked more like puppies, people wouldn't put them in boiling water while they're still alive." - George Carlin
a.r.f. wrote: The babelfish translation is pretty bad I really like the Diagram maps, which should be Graphic cards. :laugh: Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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I think about buying a new 3D graphics cards for my Athlon 1,2Ghz. Currenty I use a GeForce 2 MX-400 with 64Megs of RAM. It's enough speed so far, but I heard the newer generation cards like the GeForce4TI or the Radeon 8xxx series feature more fancy graphic quality like some Pixel shader stuff and so on that my card doesn't. So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? When I was young my mother told me to clean up my room, I told her -1!
I guess it depends on your game-playing habits. I have a GF2, but haven't been buying any games lately that require a powerful graphics card, so everything I have runs at 60+ fps. Not much incentive for me to upgrade. ------------------------------------------ When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me. - Emo Phillips
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Wait a month until the new ATI card comes out. It looks like a impressive card. The retail for it is targeted for 150.00 usd. So even if you dont choose to get the ati card, its low cost and appeal may drive the price of the gforce cards down.
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a.r.f. wrote: I'm sure that all of the other readers here are as grateful as I am to have such information referenced at the 100% English language CodeProject website I beg your pardon. How could I post a link to a German site? How ignorant I am... Ok, after some searching I've found an article at DigiTimes [^] If you would like a translation of the original link, try babelfish [^]. It's really funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: BTW, according to demographics.asp at least 2.8% of CPians are German. And because I know Stefan is German too, I've posted that link to a German news site. Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.Thomas Freudenberg wrote: try babelfish [^]. It's really funny Ever thought Rammstein lyrics were fun/bizarre? Just run them through babelfish and you'll go :omg::wtf::laugh::eek: X| :wtf::omg: FreeBSD is sexy. Getting closer and closer to actually submit an article...
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I think about buying a new 3D graphics cards for my Athlon 1,2Ghz. Currenty I use a GeForce 2 MX-400 with 64Megs of RAM. It's enough speed so far, but I heard the newer generation cards like the GeForce4TI or the Radeon 8xxx series feature more fancy graphic quality like some Pixel shader stuff and so on that my card doesn't. So what do you suggest? Waiting for the next gen of cards, or buying a new one now? When I was young my mother told me to clean up my room, I told her -1!
The geforce 4200 128mb is the best bang for the buck right now. The 4200 has all the features as the top-o-the-line 4600 but is a tad bit slower. Todd Smith
