Google must divulge YouTube log
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American squirrels or European squirrels? ;P
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I just type "squirrel." We have red and grey here in South Dakota. The black ones are more to the south. We also have what is called a 13-striped ground squirrel which is like a tiny, tiny prairie dog. Where I used to live I had a large squirrel colony. They were always running across my roof between the maple trees in the front and back. Where I live now we had one large red squirrel but he got run over this last winter. I have a grey one that visits sometimes. This spring I was painting the privacy fence and heard a scritch-scritch-scritch. I expected a baby bird to come over the fence. Nope. Just a large squirrel. We looked at each other for a few seconds and then the robins chased him out of the yard. On youtube I also query often of "racoon" and "cockatoo." However, I don't have an account so I guess I won't be part of their search. Whew!
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leckey wrote:
Man, they are going to think I'm obsessed with squirrels.
Im sure they'll find many more people obsessed with beavers
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I just type "squirrel." We have red and grey here in South Dakota. The black ones are more to the south. We also have what is called a 13-striped ground squirrel which is like a tiny, tiny prairie dog. Where I used to live I had a large squirrel colony. They were always running across my roof between the maple trees in the front and back. Where I live now we had one large red squirrel but he got run over this last winter. I have a grey one that visits sometimes. This spring I was painting the privacy fence and heard a scritch-scritch-scritch. I expected a baby bird to come over the fence. Nope. Just a large squirrel. We looked at each other for a few seconds and then the robins chased him out of the yard. On youtube I also query often of "racoon" and "cockatoo." However, I don't have an account so I guess I won't be part of their search. Whew!
Impressive! I was just trying to be inspired by the Monthy Python's Holy Grail where King Arthur ask 'Which kind of Sparrow' when ask for the speed of such bird! ;-) But no worries! BTW, where I lived, there was never much squirrels, but since I'm in Australia, there is always heaps of Oppossum around, some times fighting on the roof! I guess they are our local squirrels!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Impressive! I was just trying to be inspired by the Monthy Python's Holy Grail where King Arthur ask 'Which kind of Sparrow' when ask for the speed of such bird! ;-) But no worries! BTW, where I lived, there was never much squirrels, but since I'm in Australia, there is always heaps of Oppossum around, some times fighting on the roof! I guess they are our local squirrels!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
My ex's father (from Aus) used to call me possum because of my long fringe (bangs for US people). You should look up the US possum; they are HIDEOUS compared to the Aussie version. When my friends from Aus visited the US they were mesmerized by the squirrels. I thought it was funny; but then again, most visitors to Aus find kangaroos cool. I've spend enough time there to equate them to the deer. Stupid, stupid, animal!
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Google must divulge the viewing habits of every user who has ever watched any video on YouTube, a US court has ruled.[^] Apparently it's 12 Terrabytes of data. If I was Google I'd hand it over in 5 and a quarter inch floppy disks. :)
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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Impressive! I was just trying to be inspired by the Monthy Python's Holy Grail where King Arthur ask 'Which kind of Sparrow' when ask for the speed of such bird! ;-) But no worries! BTW, where I lived, there was never much squirrels, but since I'm in Australia, there is always heaps of Oppossum around, some times fighting on the roof! I guess they are our local squirrels!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Super Lloyd wrote:
Which kind of Sparrow
Swallow, surely (nit-pick, nit-pick!) :-)
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Google must divulge the viewing habits of every user who has ever watched any video on YouTube, a US court has ruled.[^] Apparently it's 12 Terrabytes of data. If I was Google I'd hand it over in 5 and a quarter inch floppy disks. :)
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
I'm a British subject, so retrieving electronically stored personal information about me without my permission is prosecutable under law. If enough of us make a fuss, Viacom will find its costs rising quite dramatically. And how will governments like that of China feel about a US corporation poring over/pawing through personal information of their people? + Adding my vote for punch-cards.
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Google must divulge the viewing habits of every user who has ever watched any video on YouTube, a US court has ruled.[^] Apparently it's 12 Terrabytes of data. If I was Google I'd hand it over in 5 and a quarter inch floppy disks. :)
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
Nah, give 'em a print out... :laugh:
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I'm a British subject, so retrieving electronically stored personal information about me without my permission is prosecutable under law. If enough of us make a fuss, Viacom will find its costs rising quite dramatically. And how will governments like that of China feel about a US corporation poring over/pawing through personal information of their people? + Adding my vote for punch-cards.
I'm with you. If viacom want it for the reasons they claim there is on reason why the data can't be annonymised. Why do they need actual IP addresses and user names. Why not just a list of videos and unique view counts. They clearly want it for something more suspect. Personally, I'm not actually clear what's illegal and what isn't on YouTube. I've looked up music videos and stuff like that. Are they illegal? They're awful quality and I don't make any attempt to download and keep them. Generally I look them up to get an idea of new bands I might like - that little similar videos bar is cool for this kind of thing. (So actually benefits the music industry) What about immature comedy videos with backing music? I bet the creators don't have broadcast licenses, are these illegal?
Simon
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Norm .net wrote:
Narrrh Punch cards
Yes. I'll be a man and admit it, shame on me for not mentioning punch cards :-O
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
I think Google should supply the data to Viacom on printed paper in 2pt font. That would force the aggregation to be a manual process, possibly taking years and lots of $$$$, and rife with potential errors that could be leagally challenged whereupon they would be obliged to go over it all again to verify.
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John C wrote:
5 and a quarter inch floppy disks
:laugh: How about 8" floppy disks or 8 track tapes :rolleyes:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
My vote would be to print it out on paper in and ship it. With a bit of effort, the printout could be in random order using a font that is hard to OCR (e.g. faded dot matrix on old style fan fold paper). A rough calculation places the volume at about 5,000 truckloads of paper. Technically speaking, they would have the data but it would take them approximately 200 thousand man-years to scan and collate under the very best of circumstances. Microfilm also might be another option. Takes up less space but just as awkward to digitize.
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When you mentioned punch cards I thought of an amusing thing that happened to a colleague a long time ago. She accidently routed a system dump (mainframe) to punch cards. Soon after the porters showed up with cartons of punched cards asking where she wanted to put them. I don't remember how many cartons but it was quite a pile. We all took pity on her and agreed to help dispose of them discretely. We all took some of the smaller boxes they came in from the cartons from time to time and put them in our recycle bins a little at a time. It took a while to get rid of them and she never quite lived the blunder down amongst her friends. Management never caught on, or at least never let on that they knew. :cool:
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I would hope they have very deep pockets, I really hope they don't try bullying their way through this hoping most people will give them a few thousand dollars and live with it!
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My vote would be to print it out on paper in and ship it. With a bit of effort, the printout could be in random order using a font that is hard to OCR (e.g. faded dot matrix on old style fan fold paper). A rough calculation places the volume at about 5,000 truckloads of paper. Technically speaking, they would have the data but it would take them approximately 200 thousand man-years to scan and collate under the very best of circumstances. Microfilm also might be another option. Takes up less space but just as awkward to digitize.
oldhippy wrote:
Microfilm also might be another option. Takes up less space but just as awkward to digitize.
Yes, a.k.a. microfiche, that would be just evil :rolleyes:
oldhippy wrote:
print it out on paper
All the tree-huggers would cry foul at that :laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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I want to know what's going to happen to the data? Are Viacom going to go after the millions of people that have watched these clips? Are they going to send them a nice letter stating, "we know you viewed something that was illegally made publicly available, please don't do it again naughty person". They're going to have data to see which countries / regions are their worst offenders, but I think that's the extent of what they're going to achieve. These clips were made publicly available, they were not protected, nobody got warned what they were viewing wasn't actually MADE for YouTube.
hammerstein05 wrote:
want to know what's going to happen to the data?
I suppose they'll sell all the addresses to someone so they can spam everyone even more efficiently. (Hmm, I wonder what the name 'Via-com' is derived from... :P ) Seriously - what is shocking me is not Viacom is requesting these data, and neither is it they might be getting it. It is the sheer amount of personalized data Google is keeping! If it wasn't for that fact, this story would hardly be worth mentioning, because nobody's privacy would be threatened whether or not Viacom get the data. The mere fact such data exists means the privacy of tens of millions of users is potentially compromised. Even assuming Google has the best of intentions about this data and will never ever abuse it, there is always the possibility someone will either steal the data or legally force Google to divulge it - and what then happens to this data nobody can tell! My opinion about this is that personalized data should be legally forbidden to keep, unless they are neccessary to provide a service these persons ask for and these persons explicitly grant the right to keep them. (hm, ok, I suppose there are a number of exceptions that need to be made, but you get the idea). I know Google uses information about a user's history of using specific services to provide better results for those services. But to achieve that, IMHO it is not neccessary to keep personalized data records about each and every access. It should be sufficient to keep personalized statistics that are not linked to any specific request. And with respect to improving those services in general, access data can be stored without personal information. If Google really doesn't want to interfere with users' privacy, why, then, don't they seperate personal information from statistics? Besides, storing information that way would save a lot of storage!