all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer"
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
When I applied for my new job, I was told web work would be secondary, the whole time I have been here, just web sh*t. I hate any web related development. My next employment contract will have a clause about the maximum allowed time I will work on web related stuff (20% or lower per day/week, after that I will stop, or continue at double or triple rate). Personally I am sick of people bullsh*tting you into crap end jobs.
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
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When I applied for my new job, I was told web work would be secondary, the whole time I have been here, just web sh*t. I hate any web related development. My next employment contract will have a clause about the maximum allowed time I will work on web related stuff (20% or lower per day/week, after that I will stop, or continue at double or triple rate). Personally I am sick of people bullsh*tting you into crap end jobs.
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008) -
When I applied for my new job, I was told web work would be secondary, the whole time I have been here, just web sh*t. I hate any web related development. My next employment contract will have a clause about the maximum allowed time I will work on web related stuff (20% or lower per day/week, after that I will stop, or continue at double or triple rate). Personally I am sick of people bullsh*tting you into crap end jobs.
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)leppie wrote:
I hate any web related development.
I'll second what that. I hate web work. You won't catch me doing it any time soon. I prefer the structure and discipline of client apps. Web stuff seems to be all over the place and thinly held together with java script - ick.
Simon
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
[rantmode] Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web. The most annoying is it when people tend to look onto WinForms as being single-user. People arguing that you need to use ASP.NET, because the application needs to be multi-user (and then insist on using MS-Access because SQL Server Express is "overkill") From a technological viewpoint, I'd say the future is mixed, parts being web-oriented and partially rich clients. Desktop-applications using webservices, web-applications launching ActiveX to achieve rich functionality and the likes. From a realistical viewpoint, the future will be web-based. Lot's of XML, lots of JavaScript and lots of standards (and not a single browser that supports them all!) :mad: [/rantmode]
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There are loads of 'web' development jobs, as more company's internal tools go web based. If you don't like that, you'll struggle to find server side work. As for winforms, its dead in the water. WPF seems to be the way to go here.
Gizz wrote:
As for winforms, its dead in the water. WPF seems to be the way to go here.
I'm not so sure about that. MS don't seem to be dropping winforms. WPF is talked about as an alternative for media rich apps. Personally, I love WPF. I'll be using it where ever possible on future projects.
Simon
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[rantmode] Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web. The most annoying is it when people tend to look onto WinForms as being single-user. People arguing that you need to use ASP.NET, because the application needs to be multi-user (and then insist on using MS-Access because SQL Server Express is "overkill") From a technological viewpoint, I'd say the future is mixed, parts being web-oriented and partially rich clients. Desktop-applications using webservices, web-applications launching ActiveX to achieve rich functionality and the likes. From a realistical viewpoint, the future will be web-based. Lot's of XML, lots of JavaScript and lots of standards (and not a single browser that supports them all!) :mad: [/rantmode]
eddyvluggen wrote:
Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web.
What's good about my management is they don't focus on the technology or platform. They tell me what they want to achieve and I get to analyse and decide on the best platform.
Simon
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
JamesA_Dev wrote:
Do people also see this trend?
Only in the last ten years or so ;P
JamesA_Dev wrote:
Are people on here in the same situation?
I was working on a web product until early this year, and now I am on a desktop office app (well, a "connected" one, but all UI is Win32/WTL stuff)
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
Most new projects here are web based, or windows console/form apps using web services. I see the future will be more linked and connected than ever before whether it's web based or windows based. We do maintain a lot of client/server or winForms app here from the past, using VB6, c/c++. In reality, it will take a long time before they are replaced since they have been integrated with the business process for years.
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
This has been the case for AGES. Check the ASP.NET forum, then check the C# forum. See which one gets the most questions. Conversely, I get the impression that more ASP.NET work is being sent to foreign folks who know how to turn on a computer ( they tend not to be developers as such ). I really don't know how that translates to local jobs, but I'd have expected for jobs writing web apps to be increasing everywhere.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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leppie wrote:
I hate any web related development.
I'll second what that. I hate web work. You won't catch me doing it any time soon. I prefer the structure and discipline of client apps. Web stuff seems to be all over the place and thinly held together with java script - ick.
Simon
Stop being ignorant.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Gizz wrote:
As for winforms, its dead in the water. WPF seems to be the way to go here.
I'm not so sure about that. MS don't seem to be dropping winforms. WPF is talked about as an alternative for media rich apps. Personally, I love WPF. I'll be using it where ever possible on future projects.
Simon
I'd have no problem moving to WPF and/or Silverlight. I've no particular fondness of win forms, especially when you start inheriting forms. You get to that age when you're starting a family and you're settled in a city. I live in the Peterborough, UK and want to stay here. I've got to go with whats available being outside any major software development hub like London etc.
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
JamesA_Dev wrote:
Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
Pretty much. Think of a client/server app. Back-end web developers are the server-side, front-end are the client-side. You'll need to understand state better though as typical web models are less stateful than desktop client/server. Good API design knowledge will help you, whatever the protocol.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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When I applied for my new job, I was told web work would be secondary, the whole time I have been here, just web sh*t. I hate any web related development. My next employment contract will have a clause about the maximum allowed time I will work on web related stuff (20% or lower per day/week, after that I will stop, or continue at double or triple rate). Personally I am sick of people bullsh*tting you into crap end jobs.
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)leppie wrote:
just web sh*t
What do you define as "web sh*t"? We have PhDs here working on algorithms in C that are for web-projects. They work on terabyte data samples and think the web brings them an awful lot that they wouldn't have had access to without the web.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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[rantmode] Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web. The most annoying is it when people tend to look onto WinForms as being single-user. People arguing that you need to use ASP.NET, because the application needs to be multi-user (and then insist on using MS-Access because SQL Server Express is "overkill") From a technological viewpoint, I'd say the future is mixed, parts being web-oriented and partially rich clients. Desktop-applications using webservices, web-applications launching ActiveX to achieve rich functionality and the likes. From a realistical viewpoint, the future will be web-based. Lot's of XML, lots of JavaScript and lots of standards (and not a single browser that supports them all!) :mad: [/rantmode]
eddyvluggen wrote:
From a technological viewpoint, I'd say the future is mixed, parts being web-oriented and partially rich clients. Desktop-applications using webservices, web-applications launching ActiveX to achieve rich functionality and the likes.
I'm a web-developer and I gave you a 5 for that. I love it when desktop-apps. are web-aware and when websites work in tandem with your desktop, mobile and home fridge.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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I've been developing windows applications for 10 years. I've noticed nearly all the local developer jobs are now "Web Developer". I'm starting to wonder if its time I gave up my c++ mfc/c# win forms stuff and got over to web development... Do people also see this trend? Are people on here in the same situation? Some places have referred to backend web developer. A backend web developer is basically a developer isn't it?
Meh. MFC/WinForms is old and boring and takes too much effort for too little payoff. Well, sometimes. :rolleyes: Truth of the matter is, vast numbers of desktop apps never should have been desktop apps. They should have been terminal apps, some of them were terminal apps, and The Web is the new platform for this. Easier to deploy, easier to maintain/update, safer than letting some disgruntled sales guy walk away with all your price tables on his laptop...
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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eddyvluggen wrote:
Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web.
What's good about my management is they don't focus on the technology or platform. They tell me what they want to achieve and I get to analyse and decide on the best platform.
Simon
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[rantmode] Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web. The most annoying is it when people tend to look onto WinForms as being single-user. People arguing that you need to use ASP.NET, because the application needs to be multi-user (and then insist on using MS-Access because SQL Server Express is "overkill") From a technological viewpoint, I'd say the future is mixed, parts being web-oriented and partially rich clients. Desktop-applications using webservices, web-applications launching ActiveX to achieve rich functionality and the likes. From a realistical viewpoint, the future will be web-based. Lot's of XML, lots of JavaScript and lots of standards (and not a single browser that supports them all!) :mad: [/rantmode]
So all those mad VT100 skillz from the 80s still apply. Kewl. :) We now have smart terminals to replace the dumb ones, trouble being they're about as smart as 2 year old monkeys.
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[rantmode] Management is moving it's focus to the web, a somewhat dated trend. Most of them see "Rich Client Apps" as outdated Windows-95 stuff. They want the new & cool webthings, since "everything" is moving to the web. The most annoying is it when people tend to look onto WinForms as being single-user. People arguing that you need to use ASP.NET, because the application needs to be multi-user (and then insist on using MS-Access because SQL Server Express is "overkill") From a technological viewpoint, I'd say the future is mixed, parts being web-oriented and partially rich clients. Desktop-applications using webservices, web-applications launching ActiveX to achieve rich functionality and the likes. From a realistical viewpoint, the future will be web-based. Lot's of XML, lots of JavaScript and lots of standards (and not a single browser that supports them all!) :mad: [/rantmode]