OpenSSH trojaned...hmmmm
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chekit[^] I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is, because the majority of people that will be depending on that code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. The utlimate irony of course is the fact that basically, the source is tainted (if you have it) while the binaries are all ok, hehe. Bill must be grinning. Senkwe ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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chekit[^] I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is, because the majority of people that will be depending on that code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. The utlimate irony of course is the fact that basically, the source is tainted (if you have it) while the binaries are all ok, hehe. Bill must be grinning. Senkwe ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
But the flipside is that somebody planted a trojan into the source, which has been found, and made known. If a pissed off ms employee planted something nasty into the source of a ms product, what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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But the flipside is that somebody planted a trojan into the source, which has been found, and made known. If a pissed off ms employee planted something nasty into the source of a ms product, what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: If a pissed off ms employee planted something nasty into the source of a ms product, what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? Have you ever heard of "peer code review" ? Concussus surgo. When struck I rise.
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But the flipside is that somebody planted a trojan into the source, which has been found, and made known. If a pissed off ms employee planted something nasty into the source of a ms product, what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? Interesting point. It should have happened by now though, I guess their HR is good. It would be interesting to find out exactly HOW this was allowed to happen though. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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benjymous wrote: If a pissed off ms employee planted something nasty into the source of a ms product, what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? Have you ever heard of "peer code review" ? Concussus surgo. When struck I rise.
Daniel Turini wrote: Have you ever heard of "peer code review" ? Yeah, you get stuff like that at the start of projects, then suddenly the deadlines start approaching, and anything sensible such as planning and testing go out of the window as management want the code finished yesterday -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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chekit[^] I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is, because the majority of people that will be depending on that code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. The utlimate irony of course is the fact that basically, the source is tainted (if you have it) while the binaries are all ok, hehe. Bill must be grinning. Senkwe ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
who wants to bet whoever did it was employed or hired by MS? :) -c
To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.
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who wants to bet whoever did it was employed or hired by MS? :) -c
To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.
/. #3848917hehe, well Open Source folk believe that MS devs are incompetent. As such it would be a hard pill to swallow if indeed some MS employee was implicated in breaching THEIR security ;P It was def one of their own though. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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But the flipside is that somebody planted a trojan into the source, which has been found, and made known. If a pissed off ms employee planted something nasty into the source of a ms product, what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? Of course someone would notice; it isn't M$ that finds all these security flaws we have to continuously download patches for, but users. In this case, though, the unexpected behavior would be redefined as a "feature" or a behavior that is "by design" and ignored until the next SP. :) "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Recursion." "Recursion who?" "Knock, knock..."
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chekit[^] I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is, because the majority of people that will be depending on that code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. The utlimate irony of course is the fact that basically, the source is tainted (if you have it) while the binaries are all ok, hehe. Bill must be grinning. Senkwe ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is Here we go again. It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people. Senkwe: weren't you the one who complained recently about people bashing .Net? Senkwe Chanda wrote: code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. What's that supposed to mean? That because some ppl don't have time to look over the source then it should not be handed out? And why can't they do anything with it? Senkwe Chanda wrote: Bill must be grinning. If he grins at this kinda news then he's pretty desparate. I think Bill has more important things on his mind. Like for example that recent MS push for bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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who wants to bet whoever did it was employed or hired by MS? :) -c
To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is Here we go again. It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people. Senkwe: weren't you the one who complained recently about people bashing .Net? Senkwe Chanda wrote: code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. What's that supposed to mean? That because some ppl don't have time to look over the source then it should not be handed out? And why can't they do anything with it? Senkwe Chanda wrote: Bill must be grinning. If he grins at this kinda news then he's pretty desparate. I think Bill has more important things on his mind. Like for example that recent MS push for bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people Err, yeah I do bash the GPL and Open Source quite a bit. But I bash MS just as much :-D For example, I'm one of the (very) few people that believe Linux will overtake Windows sooner rather than later, which doesn't bother me a bit. Having said that, the few open source apps I've tried have generally sucked (except for Mozilla which is ugly but doesn't suck) So I prefer to play both sides half way. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is Here we go again. It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people. Senkwe: weren't you the one who complained recently about people bashing .Net? Senkwe Chanda wrote: code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. What's that supposed to mean? That because some ppl don't have time to look over the source then it should not be handed out? And why can't they do anything with it? Senkwe Chanda wrote: Bill must be grinning. If he grins at this kinda news then he's pretty desparate. I think Bill has more important things on his mind. Like for example that recent MS push for bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: bashing open-source is a hobby for some people ME! ME! LET ME JOIN!!! I love to bash open source for lack of a serious business model (besides the Semi-SAS approach) and for their abuse of the word "free".
You don't need to sleep to see a nightmare Anne Clark [sighist]
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I still maintain that access to the source (via the GPL) is not as wonderful as Open Source advocates claim it is Here we go again. It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people. Senkwe: weren't you the one who complained recently about people bashing .Net? Senkwe Chanda wrote: code can't do anything with it. Useful for devs, useless for granny. What's that supposed to mean? That because some ppl don't have time to look over the source then it should not be handed out? And why can't they do anything with it? Senkwe Chanda wrote: Bill must be grinning. If he grins at this kinda news then he's pretty desparate. I think Bill has more important things on his mind. Like for example that recent MS push for bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: Here we go again. It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people I thought Microsoft-bashing was the hobby!:confused::confused:
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benjymous wrote: what are the chances that anyone would ever notice? Of course someone would notice; it isn't M$ that finds all these security flaws we have to continuously download patches for, but users. In this case, though, the unexpected behavior would be redefined as a "feature" or a behavior that is "by design" and ignored until the next SP. :) "Knock, knock." "Who's there?" "Recursion." "Recursion who?" "Knock, knock..."
Roger Wright wrote: Of course someone would notice; it isn't M$ that finds all these security flaws we have to continuously download patches for, but users True. The fact is MS has always been sloppy because they had no serious competition. It's going to be hard to shake the habit now. But I always wonder about the speed at which bugs in Open Source software are fixed. It's usually a matter of days. That's pretty quick. Who does the regression testing? Who tests the patches to ensure they don't break something else down the line? ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people Err, yeah I do bash the GPL and Open Source quite a bit. But I bash MS just as much :-D For example, I'm one of the (very) few people that believe Linux will overtake Windows sooner rather than later, which doesn't bother me a bit. Having said that, the few open source apps I've tried have generally sucked (except for Mozilla which is ugly but doesn't suck) So I prefer to play both sides half way. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: I'm one of the (very) few people that believe Linux will overtake Windows sooner rather than later Really? Server-side prolly. On the desktop never. What proof do you have to support your belief? Senkwe Chanda wrote: few open source apps I've tried have generally sucked So you think apache sucks? Sendmail sucks? What open source apps did you try? bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: bashing open-source is a hobby for some people ME! ME! LET ME JOIN!!! I love to bash open source for lack of a serious business model (besides the Semi-SAS approach) and for their abuse of the word "free".
You don't need to sleep to see a nightmare Anne Clark [sighist]
peterchen wrote: ME! ME! LET ME JOIN!!! You're proud you bash open source? :confused: You must be a pretty negative/depressed person. peterchen wrote: I love to bash open source for lack of a serious business model And it seems, misinformed too. There is no business in open-source so they don't need a model. peterchen wrote: their abuse of the word "free". If it has managed to escape your notice they actually define pretty well what they mean by "free". Go to gnu.org and read. bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: It seems bashing open-source is a hobby for some people Err, yeah I do bash the GPL and Open Source quite a bit. But I bash MS just as much :-D For example, I'm one of the (very) few people that believe Linux will overtake Windows sooner rather than later, which doesn't bother me a bit. Having said that, the few open source apps I've tried have generally sucked (except for Mozilla which is ugly but doesn't suck) So I prefer to play both sides half way. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I'm one of the (very) few people that believe Linux will overtake Windows sooner rather than later Really? Server-side prolly. On the desktop never. What proof do you have to support your belief? Senkwe Chanda wrote: few open source apps I've tried have generally sucked So you think apache sucks? Sendmail sucks? What open source apps did you try? bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Sendmail sucks? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Very much so. Even Unix people agree it is a total hack job. QMail RULEZ!!!! :) Apache sucks? Much of it does. It is functionally great, but that isn't the whole story. It is a total nightmare to configure. But that is more of a legacy issue. The code generally does suck royally. But that tends to be very common for OSS and non-OSS. (What I have started calling "Code Spew") Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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who wants to bet whoever did it was employed or hired by MS? :) -c
To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.
/. #3848917Hehe :) I'm willing to bet it was not MS, but who knows? bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: except for Mozilla which is ugly but doesn't suck ... and is dereived from commercially developed sources. :cool:
You don't need to sleep to see a nightmare Anne Clark [sighist]
... and is dereived from commercially developed sources. Sing it brother!!!! It would be a total joke to claim OSS code suffers worse from "code spew" than commercial applications. Apache, sendmail, expat, quake, etc..., all suffer from the same problem of moronic programmers who actually believe this crap about "self documenting" code. An overwhelming amount of code I see is mostly just "code spew". Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture