Are you smarter than a 17-year-old?
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????? ok you got me. I give up. When I was in school History was factual and consistent all the way from grade school to graduation. A lot of wierd things happened after that but I paid little attention cause I never had kids.
Don't take any wooden nickels.
I have no doubt that it was consistent. Parts were definitely not factual. You probably didn't notice because, if you've paid little attention since then, you probably weren't paying that much attention in the first place.
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I have no doubt that it was consistent. Parts were definitely not factual. You probably didn't notice because, if you've paid little attention since then, you probably weren't paying that much attention in the first place.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Parts were definitely not factual.
such as?
Don't take any wooden nickels.
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You know one way to bring on labour... :-\ :-\ :-\
-------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!!
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You know one way to bring on labour... :-\ :-\ :-\
-------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!!
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Christian Graus wrote:
it's part of the creation myth
uh, not sure what you're getting at there, but factual archeology has supported what is written in the Bible and anything other than creation falls down on the job.
Don't take any wooden nickels.
I'm getting at that US 'history' is an excuse to teach manifest destiny, i.e that the people of the US are on a mission from God. Thus, the truth of the matter is obscured if it's less than glorious.
Dirk Higbee wrote:
but factual archeology has supported what is written in the Bible and anything other than creation falls down on the job.
Interesting.... So you believe that archeology supports a young earth and a 6 day creation ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
You know one way to bring on labour.
According to the mid wife you need around two buckets worth!
Josh Gray wrote:
two buckets worth
Better get cracking then!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
-------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!!
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You know one way to bring on labour... :-\ :-\ :-\
-------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!!
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_Damian S_ wrote:
You know one way to bring on labour... :-\ :-\ :-\
What is that? Or is it "unmentionable?"
I'm told the three ways are a hot bath, hot curry or hot sex.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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I'm told the three ways are a hot bath, hot curry or hot sex.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Yeah, I have friends who are teachers in the US and they make it sound pretty grim.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
they make it sound pretty grim
Well, from what I've seen, I'll agree with your friends.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm told the three ways are a hot bath, hot curry or hot sex.
Target have trampolines on sale. That suggestion didnt go down so well.
Josh Gray wrote:
Target have trampolines on sale. That suggestion didnt go down so well.
Maybe she'll like this one better - Direct from our midwife (some years ago) - down on all fours cleaning the floor (not a euphemism) is a good way also... Something about gravity helping put the baby in the right position blah blah... Then sitting on an exercise ball winding the baby out (moving her butt in circles).
-------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!!
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Are you suprised that many parents now depend entirely on the school system to educate their children? Weekends are all about "quality time" not sitting down to study a book together. Surely a childs education is the parents responsibility. If the school system is lacking then its their job to find a better school or pick up the slack.
Josh Gray wrote:
many parents now depend entirely on the school system to educate their children
I don't.
Josh Gray wrote:
a childs education is the parents responsibility
Definitely.
Josh Gray wrote:
their job to find a better school or pick up the slack.
Sometimes easier said than done. I did a stint as a teacher and the parents I respected most were the ones who cared about how their son/daughter was progressing in my class and if there were any problems, how to help their child do better.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Awww man. When are you and the missus expecting the little one? Gonna pass any cigars around here :laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Josh Gray wrote:
many parents now depend entirely on the school system to educate their children
I don't.
Josh Gray wrote:
a childs education is the parents responsibility
Definitely.
Josh Gray wrote:
their job to find a better school or pick up the slack.
Sometimes easier said than done. I did a stint as a teacher and the parents I respected most were the ones who cared about how their son/daughter was progressing in my class and if there were any problems, how to help their child do better.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
Paul Conrad wrote:
Sometimes easier said than done. I did a stint as a teacher and the parents I respected most were the ones who cared about how their son/daughter was progressing in my class and if there were any problems, how to help their child do better.
Which is exactly the way it should be. Jumping up and down and blaiming the education system or teachers as a group is just a cop out. I had some great teachers and some shit ones. I did well with both kinds because I was motivated to learn. That motivation came from my parents
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Awww man. When are you and the missus expecting the little one? Gonna pass any cigars around here :laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Josh Gray wrote:
two buckets worth
Better get cracking then!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
-------------------------------------------------------- Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!!
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'm told the three ways are a hot bath, hot curry or hot sex.
Target have trampolines on sale. That suggestion didnt go down so well.
Josh Gray wrote:
Target have trampolines on sale.
Well, go get one. When your kid is old enough, he or she will want one.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote:
Sometimes easier said than done. I did a stint as a teacher and the parents I respected most were the ones who cared about how their son/daughter was progressing in my class and if there were any problems, how to help their child do better.
Which is exactly the way it should be. Jumping up and down and blaiming the education system or teachers as a group is just a cop out. I had some great teachers and some shit ones. I did well with both kinds because I was motivated to learn. That motivation came from my parents
Josh Gray wrote:
Jumping up and down and blaiming the education system or teachers as a group is just a cop out.
Yep. There were plenty of instances I had parents tell me their kids said one thing and parent finds out it was different. Sadly, it was usually at the point of no repair.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote:
Awww man. When are you and the missus expecting the little one?
Its due next saturday :)
Do you guys know what it is going to be or just waiting to see for a surprise?
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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I would agree that the US school system is in a sorry state. Ours is not much better. The biggest issue is not that kids don't know a random assortment of facts about historical dates. Far more concerning in that regard are the outright lies taught as history in the US ( if you go to university and study history, the first step in the US is to unlearn most of what you were told ). However, even that doesn't matter that much, much as I think it's important to know where you came from. As Mike said, it's the attitude of not being able to fail anyone ( we have this here, I have come up against it ), and the unwillingness to teach people to think for themselves, to expect failure as a possible outcome of lack of application, etc. And I got 5 out of 6 right, same as a lot of people here.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
And I got 5 out of 6 right, same as a lot of people here.
Did you miss that last one? Seems like most people did. Not sure about the site saying some 88% got it right :suss:
Christian Graus wrote:
if you go to university and study history, the first step in the US is to unlearn most of what you were told
Yep, my wife is a History major and I learned more from her discussions than I did in high school or in one or two history classes in college. Luckily, in college, I somehow got around it :rolleyes:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon