Student of the day - would you answer?
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Corinna John wrote:
If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god..."
Well, you can neverthless use the expression, I do.
Corinna John wrote:
But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
Good move: think about (his) Mummy and Daddy being also a little proud of you. :-D BTW: how do you keep data invariant in MP3 compression/decompression? Have you written an article about? [added] Possibly there is another way: (1) you may give him some (published?) material, not the whole code. (2) he should acknowledge your contribution. [/added]
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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CPallini wrote:
Have you written an article about?
There's no article, because I'd feel embarrassed to deliver an algorithm that produces such results. The noise in the stego sounds is very audible. You can download the C# source, if you want to play with my toy: http://binary-universe.net/etc/WhiteNoise_7.zip[^] As you know, a signed wave has positive and negative peaks. The program finds those peaks and swaps them. A positive peak means 0 and a negative peak means 1. That means, though the + and - peaks should be alternating, the program produces zero points with + or - cycles at both sides. Such a point produces a scratching noise in the speaker that reminds of radio station being quite far away. An MP3 compressor removes certain frequencies and so on, but it doesn't change the wave's phase. That's why the +/- swapped peaks stay alive.
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Corinna John wrote:
If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god..."
Well, you can neverthless use the expression, I do.
Corinna John wrote:
But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
Good move: think about (his) Mummy and Daddy being also a little proud of you. :-D BTW: how do you keep data invariant in MP3 compression/decompression? Have you written an article about? [added] Possibly there is another way: (1) you may give him some (published?) material, not the whole code. (2) he should acknowledge your contribution. [/added]
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
[My articles]modified on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:03 AM
CPallini wrote:
[added] Possibly there is another way: (1) you may give him some (published?) material, not the whole code. (2) he should acknowledge your contribution. [/added]
Oh, good idea. Tell him he has to state all the info you provide as a source. Then phone his uni the day after it's due in, give them his name and all the information you gave him, so if he cheated and didn't quote you in his references, he gets a fail, that'll teach him [We need an evil grin icon].
Simon
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Hello fellow CPians, my spam filter removed this mail from my inbox, so I received it two days late. Anyway, am I an a**hole not to answer? ---------------------------------- My name is [let's keep him anonymous], I'm a final year college student. I'm doing a stegangography project for my final test. I'm using Visual Basic 2005 software. I'ts steganography using wav and mp3 files and choosen text file as message. I still having problem until right now. I'm so confused. I can't make the program. I realy need your help, 'cause if I can't make it, I can't graduate and I can't make my parents proud of me. I hope you can help me about it. Please send me the program to my mail at [let's keep him anonymous]@yahoo.co.uk Thanks a lot, ----------------------------------
- This poor boy has studied computer science. (FYI, I just began to study part-time at a distance university, doing a full-time job at daylight. If I'll finish by bachelor degree at all, it'll be in about four years.)
- Though he should be a professional, he uses VB (no offense meant, honestly...) and he's not able to put his concrete problem into words.
- His main problem is not that he cannot start a job or something else related to programming/graduating, but that Mummy and Daddy won't be proud of him. (If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god...")
I'd love to tell him that the purpose of a graduation project is to show that he can do a whole project on his own. I'd love to tell him that he needs to learn and graduate for himself, not for his parents. But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
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Ignore him. Save some poor future programmer the hassles of having a useless spunger for a co-worker.
Corinna John wrote:
If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god..."
Correction... If you were religious you would NOT say that. :doh:
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CPallini wrote:
Have you written an article about?
There's no article, because I'd feel embarrassed to deliver an algorithm that produces such results. The noise in the stego sounds is very audible. You can download the C# source, if you want to play with my toy: http://binary-universe.net/etc/WhiteNoise_7.zip[^] As you know, a signed wave has positive and negative peaks. The program finds those peaks and swaps them. A positive peak means 0 and a negative peak means 1. That means, though the + and - peaks should be alternating, the program produces zero points with + or - cycles at both sides. Such a point produces a scratching noise in the speaker that reminds of radio station being quite far away. An MP3 compressor removes certain frequencies and so on, but it doesn't change the wave's phase. That's why the +/- swapped peaks stay alive.
This statement is false.
Clever. As usual. :)
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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Hello fellow CPians, my spam filter removed this mail from my inbox, so I received it two days late. Anyway, am I an a**hole not to answer? ---------------------------------- My name is [let's keep him anonymous], I'm a final year college student. I'm doing a stegangography project for my final test. I'm using Visual Basic 2005 software. I'ts steganography using wav and mp3 files and choosen text file as message. I still having problem until right now. I'm so confused. I can't make the program. I realy need your help, 'cause if I can't make it, I can't graduate and I can't make my parents proud of me. I hope you can help me about it. Please send me the program to my mail at [let's keep him anonymous]@yahoo.co.uk Thanks a lot, ----------------------------------
- This poor boy has studied computer science. (FYI, I just began to study part-time at a distance university, doing a full-time job at daylight. If I'll finish by bachelor degree at all, it'll be in about four years.)
- Though he should be a professional, he uses VB (no offense meant, honestly...) and he's not able to put his concrete problem into words.
- His main problem is not that he cannot start a job or something else related to programming/graduating, but that Mummy and Daddy won't be proud of him. (If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god...")
I'd love to tell him that the purpose of a graduation project is to show that he can do a whole project on his own. I'd love to tell him that he needs to learn and graduate for himself, not for his parents. But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
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I notice his name contains the word 'punya' which means something like merit in Sanskrit - which seems somewhat of a contradiction considering his desire to have the solution emailed to him. Usually sending these people the solution is the best idea, if you really want to cause trouble, as their tutors will easily spot that they did not write the code and it will take them longer to amend/understand the code than to write it from scratch. :)
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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I graduated from Essex Uni last year, and I can confidently say if I didn't have a program, I still would have graduated (maybe not with a 2:1, but still would have got something). Delivering a working program as you defined at the beginning of the year counted for all of 15% of the total mark. Over 60% was for design, planning, documentation etc. His university's grading may be different, but I seriously doubt it will prevent him from graduating.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
Same. I got a 2:2 mostly because of things like having to write huge essays on how the MS office paperclip is playing god and the web development module (which was all in lotus notes) in the final year. The professors gave the complete code available to anyone who asked for it in any programming modules so there's no way you could fail (in fact in some cases you'd lose marks for being adventurous and doing something in a different way - for example my friend used a doubly linked list in a java assignment for performance reasons but lost marks because the professors version of the solution had a standard linked list).
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I graduated from Essex Uni last year, and I can confidently say if I didn't have a program, I still would have graduated (maybe not with a 2:1, but still would have got something). Delivering a working program as you defined at the beginning of the year counted for all of 15% of the total mark. Over 60% was for design, planning, documentation etc. His university's grading may be different, but I seriously doubt it will prevent him from graduating.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
Hey, another Essex alumni. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. It's quite a few years since I've been back. Lots of good memories :-D
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Same. I got a 2:2 mostly because of things like having to write huge essays on how the MS office paperclip is playing god and the web development module (which was all in lotus notes) in the final year. The professors gave the complete code available to anyone who asked for it in any programming modules so there's no way you could fail (in fact in some cases you'd lose marks for being adventurous and doing something in a different way - for example my friend used a doubly linked list in a java assignment for performance reasons but lost marks because the professors version of the solution had a standard linked list).
Dave Parker wrote:
my friend used a doubly linked list in a java assignment for performance reasons but lost marks because the professors version of the solution had a standard linked list
That is crazy, either the professors are just really picky, or they didn't understand a doubly linked list themselves. Either way it concerns me, what uni was that?
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
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Hey, another Essex alumni. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. It's quite a few years since I've been back. Lots of good memories :-D
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
I enjoyed myself waaaaaaaaay too much :laugh: Basically a 3-year drinking binge, couldn't believe I got a 2:1 at the end of it. This years sports alumni weekend was a harsh reminder that I can't take it anymore though :laugh: Was Mike Sanderson (mainly java prof) there during your time?
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
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Ignore him. Save some poor future programmer the hassles of having a useless spunger for a co-worker.
Corinna John wrote:
If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god..."
Correction... If you were religious you would NOT say that. :doh:
Oh my god, thanks for the correction! I forgot that the bible forbids the abuse of his name.
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Hello fellow CPians, my spam filter removed this mail from my inbox, so I received it two days late. Anyway, am I an a**hole not to answer? ---------------------------------- My name is [let's keep him anonymous], I'm a final year college student. I'm doing a stegangography project for my final test. I'm using Visual Basic 2005 software. I'ts steganography using wav and mp3 files and choosen text file as message. I still having problem until right now. I'm so confused. I can't make the program. I realy need your help, 'cause if I can't make it, I can't graduate and I can't make my parents proud of me. I hope you can help me about it. Please send me the program to my mail at [let's keep him anonymous]@yahoo.co.uk Thanks a lot, ----------------------------------
- This poor boy has studied computer science. (FYI, I just began to study part-time at a distance university, doing a full-time job at daylight. If I'll finish by bachelor degree at all, it'll be in about four years.)
- Though he should be a professional, he uses VB (no offense meant, honestly...) and he's not able to put his concrete problem into words.
- His main problem is not that he cannot start a job or something else related to programming/graduating, but that Mummy and Daddy won't be proud of him. (If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god...")
I'd love to tell him that the purpose of a graduation project is to show that he can do a whole project on his own. I'd love to tell him that he needs to learn and graduate for himself, not for his parents. But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
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Thank you lal for your statements! I've sent him this reply: ------------------------------- Hi [let's keep him anonymous], I think first you should make up your mind and define why you graduate at all: For Mummy and Daddy? Or for yourself? In the latter case you should try and write a project on your own. The purpose of academic studies is not a fine degree, but to learn as much as possible. There are several open source projects about audio steganography. You could their documentation and understand the concepts. Once you got the basic ideas, you'll be able to develop your own algorithm. PCM Wave and MP3 are very different file formats. You can either write two programs, or make up a wave stego method that survives MP3 compression. As I'm a beginner and still years away from my first graduation project, I asked a few experts how to deal with you. All of them said, sending you a complete project would be counterproductive. You cannot deliver a program that you don't fully understand. Here are their statements: [Link to CodeProject] Have Fun, coco ------------------------------- I hope he'll take "Have Fun" by the word and start coding for fun... :rolleyes:
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Thank you lal for your statements! I've sent him this reply: ------------------------------- Hi [let's keep him anonymous], I think first you should make up your mind and define why you graduate at all: For Mummy and Daddy? Or for yourself? In the latter case you should try and write a project on your own. The purpose of academic studies is not a fine degree, but to learn as much as possible. There are several open source projects about audio steganography. You could their documentation and understand the concepts. Once you got the basic ideas, you'll be able to develop your own algorithm. PCM Wave and MP3 are very different file formats. You can either write two programs, or make up a wave stego method that survives MP3 compression. As I'm a beginner and still years away from my first graduation project, I asked a few experts how to deal with you. All of them said, sending you a complete project would be counterproductive. You cannot deliver a program that you don't fully understand. Here are their statements: [Link to CodeProject] Have Fun, coco ------------------------------- I hope he'll take "Have Fun" by the word and start coding for fun... :rolleyes:
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Prepare for hate mail... :suss:
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Hello fellow CPians, my spam filter removed this mail from my inbox, so I received it two days late. Anyway, am I an a**hole not to answer? ---------------------------------- My name is [let's keep him anonymous], I'm a final year college student. I'm doing a stegangography project for my final test. I'm using Visual Basic 2005 software. I'ts steganography using wav and mp3 files and choosen text file as message. I still having problem until right now. I'm so confused. I can't make the program. I realy need your help, 'cause if I can't make it, I can't graduate and I can't make my parents proud of me. I hope you can help me about it. Please send me the program to my mail at [let's keep him anonymous]@yahoo.co.uk Thanks a lot, ----------------------------------
- This poor boy has studied computer science. (FYI, I just began to study part-time at a distance university, doing a full-time job at daylight. If I'll finish by bachelor degree at all, it'll be in about four years.)
- Though he should be a professional, he uses VB (no offense meant, honestly...) and he's not able to put his concrete problem into words.
- His main problem is not that he cannot start a job or something else related to programming/graduating, but that Mummy and Daddy won't be proud of him. (If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god...")
I'd love to tell him that the purpose of a graduation project is to show that he can do a whole project on his own. I'd love to tell him that he needs to learn and graduate for himself, not for his parents. But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
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I never knew you'd post my email publicly and humiliate me like this. :(( ;P
Please leave us our small pleasures, they are small, but they are ours! - Mycroft Holmes ^ .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Microsoft MVP - Visual C++[^]
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I never knew you'd post my email publicly and humiliate me like this. :(( ;P
Please leave us our small pleasures, they are small, but they are ours! - Mycroft Holmes ^ .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Microsoft MVP - Visual C++[^]
Shut up and go back to your homework! :laugh:
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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Thank you lal for your statements! I've sent him this reply: ------------------------------- Hi [let's keep him anonymous], I think first you should make up your mind and define why you graduate at all: For Mummy and Daddy? Or for yourself? In the latter case you should try and write a project on your own. The purpose of academic studies is not a fine degree, but to learn as much as possible. There are several open source projects about audio steganography. You could their documentation and understand the concepts. Once you got the basic ideas, you'll be able to develop your own algorithm. PCM Wave and MP3 are very different file formats. You can either write two programs, or make up a wave stego method that survives MP3 compression. As I'm a beginner and still years away from my first graduation project, I asked a few experts how to deal with you. All of them said, sending you a complete project would be counterproductive. You cannot deliver a program that you don't fully understand. Here are their statements: [Link to CodeProject] Have Fun, coco ------------------------------- I hope he'll take "Have Fun" by the word and start coding for fun... :rolleyes:
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If he follows the link, he will get the source that you linked to in one of the threads above. Oh well, I guess that will require him to do atleast a little work.
Mike Lasseter
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Hello fellow CPians, my spam filter removed this mail from my inbox, so I received it two days late. Anyway, am I an a**hole not to answer? ---------------------------------- My name is [let's keep him anonymous], I'm a final year college student. I'm doing a stegangography project for my final test. I'm using Visual Basic 2005 software. I'ts steganography using wav and mp3 files and choosen text file as message. I still having problem until right now. I'm so confused. I can't make the program. I realy need your help, 'cause if I can't make it, I can't graduate and I can't make my parents proud of me. I hope you can help me about it. Please send me the program to my mail at [let's keep him anonymous]@yahoo.co.uk Thanks a lot, ----------------------------------
- This poor boy has studied computer science. (FYI, I just began to study part-time at a distance university, doing a full-time job at daylight. If I'll finish by bachelor degree at all, it'll be in about four years.)
- Though he should be a professional, he uses VB (no offense meant, honestly...) and he's not able to put his concrete problem into words.
- His main problem is not that he cannot start a job or something else related to programming/graduating, but that Mummy and Daddy won't be proud of him. (If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god...")
I'd love to tell him that the purpose of a graduation project is to show that he can do a whole project on his own. I'd love to tell him that he needs to learn and graduate for himself, not for his parents. But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
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I lived in a neighborhood where I had the only computer and printer so on occasion a few high schoolers I knew would come by looking for their reports to be printed, no big deal. But then one day I came home with a letter attached to my door telling me that I had to type the attached pages and have it printed by the morning. Hrmm, a little callous so I did what any real a** would do: I type the first two paragraphs verbatim and then when on a three page double spaced 10 point font rant about how wrong what he did was directed with the teacher as the primary audience. He didn't actually read it until after he got it back :)
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Hello fellow CPians, my spam filter removed this mail from my inbox, so I received it two days late. Anyway, am I an a**hole not to answer? ---------------------------------- My name is [let's keep him anonymous], I'm a final year college student. I'm doing a stegangography project for my final test. I'm using Visual Basic 2005 software. I'ts steganography using wav and mp3 files and choosen text file as message. I still having problem until right now. I'm so confused. I can't make the program. I realy need your help, 'cause if I can't make it, I can't graduate and I can't make my parents proud of me. I hope you can help me about it. Please send me the program to my mail at [let's keep him anonymous]@yahoo.co.uk Thanks a lot, ----------------------------------
- This poor boy has studied computer science. (FYI, I just began to study part-time at a distance university, doing a full-time job at daylight. If I'll finish by bachelor degree at all, it'll be in about four years.)
- Though he should be a professional, he uses VB (no offense meant, honestly...) and he's not able to put his concrete problem into words.
- His main problem is not that he cannot start a job or something else related to programming/graduating, but that Mummy and Daddy won't be proud of him. (If I were religious, I'd say "Oh my god...")
I'd love to tell him that the purpose of a graduation project is to show that he can do a whole project on his own. I'd love to tell him that he needs to learn and graduate for himself, not for his parents. But ... I think I'll just send him a complete C# project that "hides" data in WAV so that it stays readable after MP3 compression and decompression. I have it here on my harddisk. Wrote it a while back as a gimmick to a short story which deals about some freaks using stego via file sharing. The stego waves sound horrible, just like a radio transmission with heavy noise, but maybe he'll like it.
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Forward the email to the chairman of the CS department at his uni. Cheating is cheating; we dn't need him in the profession.
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CPallini wrote:
Have you written an article about?
There's no article, because I'd feel embarrassed to deliver an algorithm that produces such results. The noise in the stego sounds is very audible. You can download the C# source, if you want to play with my toy: http://binary-universe.net/etc/WhiteNoise_7.zip[^] As you know, a signed wave has positive and negative peaks. The program finds those peaks and swaps them. A positive peak means 0 and a negative peak means 1. That means, though the + and - peaks should be alternating, the program produces zero points with + or - cycles at both sides. Such a point produces a scratching noise in the speaker that reminds of radio station being quite far away. An MP3 compressor removes certain frequencies and so on, but it doesn't change the wave's phase. That's why the +/- swapped peaks stay alive.
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That's neat!Thanks for the code.
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Don't do his homework for him. Go with your first instinct and give the reply you want to. The most I would do is point him in the right direction - give him the website where you found the information to write your program. He will learn much more by doing it himself than by someone else doing his work for him!
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I enjoyed myself waaaaaaaaay too much :laugh: Basically a 3-year drinking binge, couldn't believe I got a 2:1 at the end of it. This years sports alumni weekend was a harsh reminder that I can't take it anymore though :laugh: Was Mike Sanderson (mainly java prof) there during your time?
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
:laugh: Yes most of my friends would probably say similar. I never touched a drop and was usually thought to be amongst the drunkest in any given gathering. Mike Sanderson was indeed there in my time (I bet he doesn't remember it though :laugh: ) He lectured us on Occam and related parallel languages. He wrote an Occam interpretter which worked on a single processor machine but apparently replicated true non deterministic parallelism, scared the hell out of most of the other academics. Does his tounge still wander out of his mouth while he's talking and wave around like an independent animal without seeming to affect his speech? It took a while to get used to that :laugh: Definitely the smartest stoner I've ever met. :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)