Is it good to use Vista ?
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you wrote: "My work laptop is XP2 so I switched my personal laptop to Vista so I can be prepared in case the eventual switch ever occurs. I think some of the WPF things are neat, however, when I look at how much juice is draws from the laptop I wonder if companies have looked at the overhead cost of even developing in Vista. If your PC is drawing 200W/hrs to run a simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD. Heck, most of my apps business apps run near idle. But yet, I run Vista, no real reason. "
Christian Schiffer wrote:
simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD
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Christian Schiffer wrote:
simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD
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Having a bad day are we?
I just don't like it when people misread what I write or say. IRL, I come to expect it from non-developers because that is just the way those people are but online, on a programming forum I expect a certain amount of professional courtesy; and that includes reading, thinking, and then replying. Your entire reply chain has been nothing but misunderstanding me or baiting me. Even this last series when I specifically spelled out my point you insist that I must be having a bad day because you can't understand power consumption as an ROI issue.
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I just don't like it when people misread what I write or say. IRL, I come to expect it from non-developers because that is just the way those people are but online, on a programming forum I expect a certain amount of professional courtesy; and that includes reading, thinking, and then replying. Your entire reply chain has been nothing but misunderstanding me or baiting me. Even this last series when I specifically spelled out my point you insist that I must be having a bad day because you can't understand power consumption as an ROI issue.
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayWell than, I assumed you were ranting about power consumptions due to the fact that your using a laptop also. Here in Norway we don't worry much about using stationary power, we have lots of it, cheap. Have a good day.
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I use Windows Vista, and have been doing so for about the past year. It has gotten better with time, (i.e. more stable etc.) If you have enough RAM, vista, in my mind, will be a good experience. More than just looking nicer, the integrated search is really nice. For me it is a big productivity enhancer. The OS feels a lot more secure, too. I like the UAC. (unlike many others) Vista does suffer from a perception problem, though. If that doesn't bother you, I recommend it.
jwhite9 wrote:
Vista does suffer from a perception problem, though. If that doesn't bother you, I recommend it. Quote Selected Text
...and if it does bother you just get Mojave instead. :laugh:
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These limitations are due to the Win32 memory model. Win32 memory model was concepted in early 90's, when desktop machines were delivered with 4MB; at those times, 4 GibaByte was a really huge amount of memory. Microsoft decided to divide the addressable space (4GB) in two, 2GB, sections - one for the OS, the other for applications. Therefore, no Win32 application shall access more than its 2GB share of memory. Under this model, a machine running with 4GB is using intensively the 2GB share for apps and the first giga of the OS - the second is not used, in most desktops. Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS. However, few applications are prepared to PAE (mostly, server applications), so, the probability of having an app using the extra 1GB is relatively small. So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
As far as I know, PAE is not used to modify the 2GB split between kernal and O/S, PAE is used to address memory ranges higher than 4 GB on 32 bit machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension[^] The /3GB switch is used to modify the 2GB split to 3GB for apps and 1GB for kernal. As far as the memory issue goes for the 3.xx cap on 32 bit machines, this also is explained through the way the 32 bit system works. A certain amount of addressable space must be reserved for video and other devices. This article by Crucial explains in detail http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.aspx?qid=4251[^] Hope that helps - John
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As far as I know, PAE is not used to modify the 2GB split between kernal and O/S, PAE is used to address memory ranges higher than 4 GB on 32 bit machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension[^] The /3GB switch is used to modify the 2GB split to 3GB for apps and 1GB for kernal. As far as the memory issue goes for the 3.xx cap on 32 bit machines, this also is explained through the way the 32 bit system works. A certain amount of addressable space must be reserved for video and other devices. This article by Crucial explains in detail http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.aspx?qid=4251[^] Hope that helps - John
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
I will never use vista, the only thing I liked was being able to drag a file from a partially obscured window without that window steeling focus. That in noway makes up for the total waste of system resources. I had been given a tempory laptop with a 1.8Ghz celeronM with 512MB of ram, running vista. It was so slow. I think its basic UI performance was about on par with amigaOS on a 14mhz 68EC020 and 2MB of ram! Below is the link to a rant about vista that I loaded onto my little web site some time ago, Its an amusing read, apparently. But has the worst spelling and grammer that you can imagine. www.mjsstuf.x10hosting.com/documents/minirant.txt
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Anyting that is written on Vista, will work, of course. But I'm saying that a lot of older apps probably would need changing.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
I develop on XP SP2, but test everything on Vista. So far I've not had to change anything and the apps actually seem to run faster and better on Vista than on XP. Of course it goes with out saying, I'm not using any special Vista features.
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Haven't tried it myself, but I've read before that you have to use the /PAE switch when starting up Windows. And a few other things to get it to work with all 4GB... This for example, http://www.ocmodshop.com/ocmodshop.aspx?a=989[^]...
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I think this is fixed in Service Pack 1 of Vista :)
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I think this is fixed in Service Pack 1 of Vista :)
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Do you have any link supporting this?
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Haven't come across any app that run in XP but gives problems in Vista, with the exception of driver related issues.
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You haven't used any apps that have data shared between multiple apps and/or users, while following M$'s former "best practices" guidelines of keeping said data in the Program Files folder. This particular problem took us weeks to figure out how to work around (after taking a few days to figure out that Vista's virtualization is evil). Still haven't figured out why Vista disables Aero for one of our programs (while no such problems are encountered for other programs that use the exact same core). Also, this isn't so much of an app problem, but my dev machine dual boots XP and Vista. XP lets me set the resolution on my monitor up to 1400x1050, which is about perfect. Vista maxes out at about 1024x768 (or was it lower than that? I don't switch over to Vista if I don't have to). Exact same hardware, but Vista doesn't work right. Go figure.
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Yes, they have, the driver issues are mostly solved now, even 64 bit drivers are generally available.
Mostly solved? As posted in another reply earlier, my dev machine dual boots XP and Vista. XP lets me set the resolution on my monitor up to 1400x1050, which is about perfect. Vista maxes out at about 1024x768 (or was it lower than that? I don't switch over to Vista if I don't have to). Exact same hardware, but Vista doesn't work right. Go figure.
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Mostly solved? As posted in another reply earlier, my dev machine dual boots XP and Vista. XP lets me set the resolution on my monitor up to 1400x1050, which is about perfect. Vista maxes out at about 1024x768 (or was it lower than that? I don't switch over to Vista if I don't have to). Exact same hardware, but Vista doesn't work right. Go figure.
Sounds like a driver problem, are you running the most recent version for your gfx card?
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Well folks for you who have a 40 GB hard drive and only a 15 GB system partition, single core or less than 2 GB ram stay away from Vista. For those of us not living in the Stone Age, Vista is really great.
The computer I am talking about is a Dell laptop with 320GB hard drive, Core 2 duo running at 2Ghz, 4 GB RAM and 256 MB dedicated video RAM. I just said that repartitioning is not an option, the hard drive is otherwise big enough. So Vista does have 15GB entirely dedicated to it, but it seems that even this is not enough.
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You haven't used any apps that have data shared between multiple apps and/or users, while following M$'s former "best practices" guidelines of keeping said data in the Program Files folder. This particular problem took us weeks to figure out how to work around (after taking a few days to figure out that Vista's virtualization is evil). Still haven't figured out why Vista disables Aero for one of our programs (while no such problems are encountered for other programs that use the exact same core). Also, this isn't so much of an app problem, but my dev machine dual boots XP and Vista. XP lets me set the resolution on my monitor up to 1400x1050, which is about perfect. Vista maxes out at about 1024x768 (or was it lower than that? I don't switch over to Vista if I don't have to). Exact same hardware, but Vista doesn't work right. Go figure.
Trevortni wrote:
You haven't used any apps that have data shared between multiple apps and/or users...
Yes, I have
Trevortni wrote:
XP lets me set the resolution on my monitor up to 1400x1050, which is about perfect. Vista maxes out at about 1024x768
Dah, drivers are different :rolleyes:
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Sounds like a driver problem, are you running the most recent version for your gfx card?
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
6 months ago, I was checking for updates pretty regularly, figuring that they would fix this bug sooner or later. Over the last few months, I've given up on them ever fixing the problem. I suppose I could check again, but (a) that would require logging in to Vista and (b) the last time I tried this, it took me a while to get things returned to the lesser evil after the attempt.
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Trevortni wrote:
You haven't used any apps that have data shared between multiple apps and/or users...
Yes, I have
Trevortni wrote:
XP lets me set the resolution on my monitor up to 1400x1050, which is about perfect. Vista maxes out at about 1024x768
Dah, drivers are different :rolleyes:
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Do you have any link supporting this?
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
sure here it is http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946003/[^] :)
Always Keep Smiling. Yours Pankaj Nikam
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sure here it is http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946003/[^] :)
Always Keep Smiling. Yours Pankaj Nikam
It's purely a GUI change. To avoid confusing (uneducated) users they're reporting the amount installed, instead of the amount the OS is able to use.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall