A Call To Genius
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
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Check birds and blooms dot com. I know I read something about the ant problem in last month's issue (but I don't have it with me right now). Lots of good birding articles there. Here is something about the ants: http://birdsandblooms.com/Top-10-Birding-Questions-4/detail.aspx[^]
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You're aware that an admission of feeding doves definitely drops man points? However a solution that ends up killing rats does balance this out OK, so I guess it's a wash in the end.
Roger Wright wrote:
2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use.
I don't see how you could avoid this? Obviously you'd know better here, but I always thought the two bird were roughly the same size. Good luck!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
an admission of feeding doves definitely drops man points?
Not really. Dove season starts in October; I'm just fattenning them up...
Jim Crafton wrote:
I always thought the two bird were roughly the same size.
I always thought so, too. But seen side by side, the pigeons are nearly twice the size of doves.
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You're going to have to pass an ordinance against the pidgeons to keep them away from the doves' feeder.(Stan can probably help you with this) :-D
Beauty is only a light switch away.
:laugh: I think rather that Stan would fight for the pigeons rights against an oppressive government, and I'd have to agree with him on that issue. It's better to take matters in hand oneself than to allow government one iota of additional authority. If they were allowed to rule on where pigeons may feed, they would then proceed to pass laws dictating what each specie may be fed, and what hours each is allowed to graze. I'd probably also have to pay for a bird license and a feeder permit to support the new bird feeder regulation administration department staffed with morons who hate birds and can't get any other job.
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Check birds and blooms dot com. I know I read something about the ant problem in last month's issue (but I don't have it with me right now). Lots of good birding articles there. Here is something about the ants: http://birdsandblooms.com/Top-10-Birding-Questions-4/detail.aspx[^]
Thanks! I'll check those sites. As for the ants, I think that by not spreading seed on the ground I'll eliminate that problem, but to be sure I've also sprinkled a perimeter defense along the fence of Amdro. That should solve the ant problem.
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:laugh: I think rather that Stan would fight for the pigeons rights against an oppressive government, and I'd have to agree with him on that issue. It's better to take matters in hand oneself than to allow government one iota of additional authority. If they were allowed to rule on where pigeons may feed, they would then proceed to pass laws dictating what each specie may be fed, and what hours each is allowed to graze. I'd probably also have to pay for a bird license and a feeder permit to support the new bird feeder regulation administration department staffed with morons who hate birds and can't get any other job.
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:laugh:
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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First a little Brevity, contact ICE http://www.ice.gov/[^]. They will have to contact Homeland Security. My only solution would be to spread some anti ant hormone spray(or Ant Lions will do the trick ala castle defense) around the feeders,make sure it does not conflict with doves. As for the pigeons(flying rats) post a stuffed weasel nearby. cat urine will scare off other cats(terratoriality) Second brevity-- read Sun Szu's Art of War
Tomorrow will be better than today, even better than yesterday
Stuffed weasels are hard to find around here. I'm pretty sure Walmart doesn't stock them, but I'll check. As for ICE, last time the INS granted amnesty for illegal immigrants the pigeons were grandfathered in. I can't legally deport them, and you know how the little buggers breed. The best can hope for is to thin the herd with my blowgun until I find a more permanent solution, and I'm not too good a shot with the blowgun yet. Maybe after I perfect that I'll go after some of the other illegal immigrants around here. :-D
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Shotgun shells filled with seed; feed them on the fly. :-D
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Just do like programming, make a prototype, see how it works, if it don't work, make a new one! Btw: I thought pigeon == dove, so learned something new today!
Wout
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Jim Crafton wrote:
an admission of feeding doves definitely drops man points?
Not really. Dove season starts in October; I'm just fattenning them up...
Jim Crafton wrote:
I always thought the two bird were roughly the same size.
I always thought so, too. But seen side by side, the pigeons are nearly twice the size of doves.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
Dove season starts in October; I'm just fattenning them up...
Not much longer 'til dove season :-D
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Just do like programming, make a prototype, see how it works, if it don't work, make a new one! Btw: I thought pigeon == dove, so learned something new today!
Wout
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
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You do know that Doves and Pigeons are the same species, right? (They are of the same family--Columbidae--and often Genus. Historically, pigeon and dove has been used interchangeably and some scientists argue the only different is semantic.)
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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For the pigeons[^] (probably a bit of an overkill for the ants).
" ...Yet none of the guns were ever found, even after the armistice." A friend of mine has one here in Bullhead City; got it at a yard sale. It's too hard to aim at pigeons, so he only fires it 4th of July.
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You do know that Doves and Pigeons are the same species, right? (They are of the same family--Columbidae--and often Genus. Historically, pigeon and dove has been used interchangeably and some scientists argue the only different is semantic.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
They're of the same order and family (Columbiformes columbidae), but Doves are in a genus of their own - Zenaida. There are seven members of this genus of American Doves, the one local variant being Z. macroura. The difference may be slight, but breeding will tell. After all, H. neanderthalis, H. habilis, H. florensis, and H. erectus are all in the same genus as you, but would you really want your daughter to marry one? :-D
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Simple - invent a virus that mutates them into chocolate anteaters.
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Trollslayer wrote:
invent a virus that mutates them into chocolate anteaters.
An elegant solution, as I would expect from my heros at CP! :-D While the virus invention is a relatively straight-forward process, I fear our climate would adversely affect anything made of chocolate. Chocolate anteaters are not known here for their longevity.
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They're of the same order and family (Columbiformes columbidae), but Doves are in a genus of their own - Zenaida. There are seven members of this genus of American Doves, the one local variant being Z. macroura. The difference may be slight, but breeding will tell. After all, H. neanderthalis, H. habilis, H. florensis, and H. erectus are all in the same genus as you, but would you really want your daughter to marry one? :-D
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I still say Doves are white flying rates, pigeons brown flying rats.
Roger Wright wrote:
but would you really want your daughter to marry one?
She may be marrying a H. Neanderthalis; time will tell.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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I'm looking for a solution to a problem that you geniuses might have fun playing with. No, it's not a programming problem, or a math challenge. I need a bird feeder. I've been feeding doves in my yard for a few months, and enjoy watching their antics in the morning while jump-starting my heart with coffee. I now have a population of regular diners numbering about 24, plus or minus a few from day to day. Although doves are ground feeders, my visitors have also learned to use a pair of tree-hung plastic feeders designed for smaller birds, but it's awfully inconvenient for them. The problem is two-fold. For one, ants have moved in, stealing grain to take home, and I'm not fond of having ants crawling all over the yard. Controlling them isn't simple, as they travel long distances to grab the seeds, and their nest isn't on my property. I can't just climb the neighbors' fences to poison any hills in their yards, and wouldn't do so if I could. They have children and dogs in the yard, and that just would not do. The second problem, and a larger one, is that pigeons are also ground feeders, and lately have been trying to muscle in on my doves. I despise the filthy, disease-ridden flying rats and would gladly shoot every one of them if I could. But since the huge influx of Californicators have caused our local laws to degenerate into the kind of Liberal Socialist morass most people leave the PRC to escape, we're not allowed to shoot them. Poisoning works, but I consider it irresponsible, as the poison is indiscriminate, killing other birds and any cats that might eat the carcasses. Not that I'd mind killing cats, mind you, but it would hurt the misguided little kids who consider them their pets. That just won't do. I've stopped spreading seed on the ground as of today, but I'd like to find a feeder design that 1.) can rest on the ground or hang on very low branches, and 2.) is sized and designed to make feeding easy for doves, yet impossible for larger pigeons to use. I have wood, steel, plastic, and fiberglass at hand to construct it, but I'm at a loss for a design. Any ideas?
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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They're of the same order and family (Columbiformes columbidae), but Doves are in a genus of their own - Zenaida. There are seven members of this genus of American Doves, the one local variant being Z. macroura. The difference may be slight, but breeding will tell. After all, H. neanderthalis, H. habilis, H. florensis, and H. erectus are all in the same genus as you, but would you really want your daughter to marry one? :-D
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Trollslayer wrote:
invent a virus that mutates them into chocolate anteaters.
An elegant solution, as I would expect from my heros at CP! :-D While the virus invention is a relatively straight-forward process, I fear our climate would adversely affect anything made of chocolate. Chocolate anteaters are not known here for their longevity.
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OK, a small factory producing mini pigeon "Coo" seeking missiles is needed. Along with cleaner bots to get rid of the remains. This post is Pinky and The Brain approved.
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