How much money can a programmer earn per month at your country and your city?
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guiqul163 wrote:
can earn
he "can" earn as much as he is worth. Depends on the market. But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
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El Corazon wrote:
But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
Perhaps, but practically I'd say there is.
Steve
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。In the country I'm living in it the average is almost between $1600 to $1800 for who has BS degree. but for really good programmers with high degree certificates they get a lot more then that at least $3500. I get $1200 because I was kicked out from the university and they gave me associated diploma (I always do bad in exams) but programming is my second name. hope helps
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。I'd say 90% earn between 500$ and 1500$ per month. There are exceptions at both ends, of course.
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Have you ever programmed yourself out of being an asshat?
“If we are all in agreement on the decision - then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.”-Alfred P. Sloan
Jerry Hammond wrote:
Have you ever programmed yourself out of being an asshat?
Quite quote worthy... My hat's off to you sir.
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El Corazon wrote:
he "can" earn as much as he is worth. Depends on the market. But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
This is a very good answer! At least it is a good answer for a software engineer in the US and probably many other places where we are free to work for anyone, in any country. But this might not be the case where the government exercises more control over what someone does for a living and/or who they can work for. At least half of my work is outside the US (Japan & Europe). I don't know enough about some parts of the world such as Yantai China, to know what is possible there. But I DO know that I do not change my rate based on location. Personally I have decided what my time is worth. If it is too high for a certain company or project, then they will not use me. I'm ok with that.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
_Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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I do, but I was only counting my 40 hour a week, day job. My estimate of an average is probably a little high for tassie, but a little low for the mainland. I've say that devs in Sydney probably make the most, or perhaps Melbourne. I'd expect Sydney devs to be the worst off, cost of housing there is obscene. But, Melb and Syd is where the vast majority of dev jobs are.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I've say that devs in Sydney probably make the most
In Brisbane (S.E. Queensland really), a minimally competent (with 3-5+ years experience) C++ programmer can expect at least $50k/annum. Depending on talent and additional experience, it goes up from there. Haven't followed Sydney/Melbourne for a while but historically, Sydney has shown $10-20k/annum & Melbourne $5-10k/annum over Brisbane rates. Adelaide has been roughly on par (despite the population difference) & Perth slightly higher (due mostly to the resources boom). Outside major metropolitan cities, expect much less. The difficulty of course is actually finding a job to suit your skills. Here in Aus, outside Sydney (& to a lesser degree Melbourne) C++ is widely considered a specialty these days, with more C++ work in embedded systems for hardware engineers than for software engineers (though Brisbane does have a couple of thriving game development companies). Java is typically for the enterprise, so again, limited prospects outside Sydney/Melbourne. C# & VB positions are readily available but there's a huge variance in salaries for them (boss thinks any old drop-kick can push out a .net application in no time/boss thinks knows it takes 10 years experience [in .net :laugh: ] to make a good programmer).
T-Mac-Oz
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I live in the Seattle area. (NW USA) I know of less experienced developers in this area who earn about $70k USD. Most of the engineers I know are in a range around $100k - $150k. (These values are annual salary in USD.) Maybe that helps. But those values really need some context. I want to believe a house in Yantai China costs a bit less than one in my neck of the woods. So it’s all relative to some extent.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
_I was curious and checked, a 2 bedroom apartment is renting in Yantai for between USD$6,560.00 and USD$10,933.00 a month. Some of those areas of China where there is rampant capitalism are through the roof. I was watching a documentary and some of the mansions in those areas for the owners of the companies and upper management are off the hook and would be the nice place on any street in Beverly Hills.
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。Here in Amman, Jordan, a fresh grad gets 350JOD == 500USD per month. Of course that's not worth a dog's diddle these days here.
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Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
I stayed for over a year in China, Guangzhou and Hong Kong to be precise, and your description is quite true. I was shocked when I got there. I was expecting some piss poor place with my imagination armed with what I remembered from Orwell's 1984 and high school social studies of the Soviet Union during Stalin's era. Boy, was I surprised.
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Here in Amman, Jordan, a fresh grad gets 350JOD == 500USD per month. Of course that's not worth a dog's diddle these days here.
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Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
When we went there as tourists it was just like other asian places, a little more crowded, quite a lot more affluent but basically the same right up until the guide tries to deny the Tianamin square tank incident, we were stunned but she was following the govt line. The guide had to pass an annual test on the propaganda to be put forward to the tourists. Capitalism, rampant, oh yes, but when you relaise their religion actually worhips money/materialism then you begin to understand why they are such ferocious money grabbers.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've say that devs in Sydney probably make the most
In Brisbane (S.E. Queensland really), a minimally competent (with 3-5+ years experience) C++ programmer can expect at least $50k/annum. Depending on talent and additional experience, it goes up from there. Haven't followed Sydney/Melbourne for a while but historically, Sydney has shown $10-20k/annum & Melbourne $5-10k/annum over Brisbane rates. Adelaide has been roughly on par (despite the population difference) & Perth slightly higher (due mostly to the resources boom). Outside major metropolitan cities, expect much less. The difficulty of course is actually finding a job to suit your skills. Here in Aus, outside Sydney (& to a lesser degree Melbourne) C++ is widely considered a specialty these days, with more C++ work in embedded systems for hardware engineers than for software engineers (though Brisbane does have a couple of thriving game development companies). Java is typically for the enterprise, so again, limited prospects outside Sydney/Melbourne. C# & VB positions are readily available but there's a huge variance in salaries for them (boss thinks any old drop-kick can push out a .net application in no time/boss thinks knows it takes 10 years experience [in .net :laugh: ] to make a good programmer).
T-Mac-Oz
10 years ago, I didn't know any C++, let alone C#. So, I guess I have a few more years to go. ( yes, I got that you were kidding about .NET )
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like
Same thing with Africa, in fact it might be worse! they think we live in the bush and have lions and elephants as pets. i once chatted with an idiot who didnt believe im from Africa cause "they dont have electricity never mind computers". When i was in Europe in 2001(mostly Austria ans Germany) the people coulnt believe that were African and white! I think most of the world has no idea that South Africa is 1st world, not 3rd.
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
not saying you personally have any particular point of view
I understand your point and I agree. Thanks for bringing this up. When it comes to money, especially someone's salary, it is easy to put on blinders and think of things only as they apply to you. I was trying to think past that. Comparing my US salary to the salary in China has to be done carefully to avoid being insensitive to the differences in culture and local economy (not to mention the egos involved). That's why I admitted I don't know enough about the area to make that comparison. I only know enough to attempt to be respectful and hopefully keep my foot out of my mouth! I am fortunate to do a lot of work in Japan. And if I've learned one thing from that experience, it is that sensitivity and respect of other cultures can go a long way to overcome ignorance! :)
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
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John C wrote:
U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like
Same thing with Africa, in fact it might be worse! they think we live in the bush and have lions and elephants as pets. i once chatted with an idiot who didnt believe im from Africa cause "they dont have electricity never mind computers". When i was in Europe in 2001(mostly Austria ans Germany) the people coulnt believe that were African and white! I think most of the world has no idea that South Africa is 1st world, not 3rd.
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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John C wrote:
U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like
Same thing with Africa, in fact it might be worse! they think we live in the bush and have lions and elephants as pets. i once chatted with an idiot who didnt believe im from Africa cause "they dont have electricity never mind computers". When i was in Europe in 2001(mostly Austria ans Germany) the people coulnt believe that were African and white! I think most of the world has no idea that South Africa is 1st world, not 3rd.
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)Harvey Saayman wrote:
Same thing with Africa, in fact it might be worse! they think we live in the bush and have lions and elephants as pets. i once chatted with an idiot who didnt believe im from Africa cause "they dont have electricity never mind computers".
I'll not even get into what a lot of fools I've met imagine the Middle East and the Arab world as ...
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Thank you very much for your reply. That's useful for me. Thanks again.
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Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There's no point questioning the actions of a c0ck-juggling thunderc*nt" From the book of testy commentary by martin_hughes Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation
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Watching the U.S. news from here in Canada I'm starting to get the impression that U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like compared to the rest of the world. There is rampant capitalism and has been for a *long* time now but the impression you get watching CNN or other U.S. news netowrks is that it's a communist police state where everyone lives in fear for their lives and can't take a piss without government approval. In another time it would be called propaganda, now I just think it's down to selling advertising and catering to what people already believe rather than actually reporting news in the pure sense of the word. Everything I've seen on non U.S. sources seems to indicate quite a different story entirely. Just saying in general, not saying you personally have any particular point of view, it's just that your post reminded me of this and I'd been thinking about it for a while.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
You know, I feel a bit ashamed myself in regards to that. I was shocked at myself when my first reaction upon seeing an night image of Bejing was to exclame out loud, "damn! that's Bejing? It looks so modern." :-O
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。When I started as a fresh grad a year ago, I was on about $2,600 per month (that's after taxes), before it's about $3,400. No idea what the real average is for someone with a few years under his belt is though.
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