How much money can a programmer earn per month at your country and your city?
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I was curious and checked, a 2 bedroom apartment is renting in Yantai for between USD$6,560.00 and USD$10,933.00 a month. Some of those areas of China where there is rampant capitalism are through the roof. I was watching a documentary and some of the mansions in those areas for the owners of the companies and upper management are off the hook and would be the nice place on any street in Beverly Hills.
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John C wrote:
a 2 bedroom apartment is renting in Yantai for between USD$6,560.00 and USD$10,933.00 a month.
I went off line and contacted quiqul63 to find out more. From what he tells me, his rent is absolutely in line with his income of $350/month. In fact his monthly expenses are very similar to mine in terms of percentage of income (Much less for rent). Certainly he couldn't afford $10k/month. So the rates you saw must be for Westerners (are we considered Westerners by the Chinese?) and not for the locals. Of course there is a question of "standard of living" but I don't have any trustworthy information to evaluate that. Because of the media bias that you've already mentioned, I have the opinion that a "typical" house in the US is of a higher standard of living than a "typical" house in China. But I admit to being poorly informed since I have never been to China and never seen what the "typical" house there is like. I'll also admit to some of the American bias that causes us to think life is better here than everywhere else. I like to think that's part of patriotism, but it might just be ego... :~
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10 years ago, I didn't know any C++, let alone C#. So, I guess I have a few more years to go. ( yes, I got that you were kidding about .NET )
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
( yes, I got that you were kidding about .NET )
I wasn't kidding actually, there was another thread on CP one day about ridiculous job ads & there was one asking for 10 years C# experience. I was laughing at the stupidity of <some> bosses/managers/hr consultants.
T-Mac-Oz
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I moved from Australia to the US about 6 years ago. Once, arriving at the head of the queue at the supermarket I said something or other and the woman at the cash register (50ish?) started at my accent and asked where I was from. When I told her she commented 'I hear it's primitive over there'. I couldn't resist. 'Oh yeah', I said, 'we only got electricity last year'. She probably still believes it!
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Rob Manderson wrote:
'we only got electricity last year'
Yeah, I've heard that about Australia. It's very much behind the times, especially in terms of technology. Take CodeProject for example. This #1 meeting place for software developers worldwide is something that could never be created by an Australian. It takes someone very smart and very hard working like Chris Maunder to create something like this. And everyone knows Chris is from... What? Oh, REALLY? Uh... never mind.
_If you continue to do the same things you always did,
don't be surprised if you get the same results you always got.
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。guiqul163 wrote:
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Your blog is all china,right?(except Copyright ©2008 ). ;)
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I moved from Australia to the US about 6 years ago. Once, arriving at the head of the queue at the supermarket I said something or other and the woman at the cash register (50ish?) started at my accent and asked where I was from. When I told her she commented 'I hear it's primitive over there'. I couldn't resist. 'Oh yeah', I said, 'we only got electricity last year'. She probably still believes it!
Rob Manderson My bloghttp://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
hahaha! ya ive done the same thing but not face to face tho, over the net. tell people you go to school on your pet elephant and they believed me
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。The minimum is about $3000 a month here. From that you need to pay $1000 in taxes and another $1000 for housing. But medical care, schooling, pensions etc are payed by the government. jhaga
How to earn $120/month.
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guiqul163 wrote:
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Your blog is all china,right?(except Copyright ©2008 ). ;)
I hope I can write article with English, but my English is very poor. :( . But I had been create a English blog, but. http://cime63.blogspot.com/ But when I wanna write article with English, I always don't know what I can write. ;P
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Is he a better programmer than you?
I doubt it.
Captain SeeSarp ... Your nick name gives me a hell lot of doubt about your programming abilities, especially outside .NET. You ARE aware that there's programming without .NET, right? To use your wise words:
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I doubt it.
There's another thing your nick name is usefull: It gives out your iliteracy :doh:
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No-one is giving much of an answer, so I will. I'd say the average is about $4,000 a month here. But, I make more than twice that, so really, the average is just that, an average, with variations.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Here in Amman, Jordan, a fresh grad gets 350JOD == 500USD per month. Of course that's not worth a dog's diddle these days here.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
in Amman, Jordan, a fresh grad gets 350JOD == 500USD per month
In Lebanon fresh grad. start with 600-700 and reach to 1500 with 3 years exp.
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The Developer wrote:
600-700 and reach to 1500 with 3 years exp.
Where are you getting these numbers? I didn't work in Lebanon because the salaries were worse than here. Unless things have changed considerably in the last 8 years.
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Christian Graus wrote:
( yes, I got that you were kidding about .NET )
I wasn't kidding actually, there was another thread on CP one day about ridiculous job ads & there was one asking for 10 years C# experience. I was laughing at the stupidity of <some> bosses/managers/hr consultants.
T-Mac-Oz
*Grin* yeah, there were people asking for 5 years within 6 months of 1.0 being released. Recruitment firms just have no idea.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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I moved from Australia to the US about 6 years ago. Once, arriving at the head of the queue at the supermarket I said something or other and the woman at the cash register (50ish?) started at my accent and asked where I was from. When I told her she commented 'I hear it's primitive over there'. I couldn't resist. 'Oh yeah', I said, 'we only got electricity last year'. She probably still believes it!
Rob Manderson My bloghttp://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
Once, in a lecture, the idiot lecturer tried to convince our class that in my home town (he didn't know I was from there), the new-fangled electricity supply was via the roof guttering. I considered speaking out and showing him up for the idiot he was but considering that 1) I was totally bored by the subject and due to lack of self discipline would at best scrape a pass 2) He was one of those sanctimonious religious types that are actually quite vindictive and full of malice to all men - it might be best to keep my mouth shut. Rich
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。Saqib: Karachi Pakistan , $400/month (Should have More than 1 Year of experience)
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。It varies greatly by City/State at least in the US. Of course the cost of living has a lot to do with it (Living in San Fransico is 2-3 times what it cost in some place in Florida and Texas (IIRC) as well as other states. And "ordinary" is relative. But, in the area I work in, as a FTE (full time employee w/benifits) I've seen $4200@month up thru $8000@month for the same "ordinary programmer" job but different cities. I'm a "Sr. Programmer" but also a manager of my department/Group so I know first hand what I pay my guys and it's in that range... Of course, you also have to look at the US dollar compared to other countries, in which case I work for Taco's! :laugh: :laugh:
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。Where I live (Copenhagen, Denmark) a programmer will typically not earn less than $6000 per month. That does seem a lot, but Copenhagen can be a pretty expensive city - and there´s also taxes (but then all medicare, education etc. is free).
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El Corazon wrote:
But theoretically there is not an upper limit.
Perhaps, but practically I'd say there is.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Perhaps, but practically I'd say there is.
practically, depends on market, experience and education. for instance: Government/Military Civilian Only associates degree (no BS): 25K entry, 60k with 8 years experience, 100k top limit at 20 years experience With BS: 35K entry, 70K with 8 years experience, 125K top limit at 20 years experience With PhD: 50K entry, 100k with 8 years experience, 200K top limit at 20 years now those are the limits, depending on skills, location and other factors you can start lower and stay lower. Now switch to entertainment markets, which although more volatile, have also a much higher limit: No BS: 25K entry, 90K with 8 years experience, no top limit at 20 years (if you can manage royalties, profit sharing, etc.) There are markets with no top end, especially for software development. Any market without royalties such as government/military civilian, will definitely have a top end, but any market with royalty options does not.
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A ordinary programmer can earn how much money per month at your country and your city? Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
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天气常如二三月，花技不断四时春。The top is around $450 an hour. (More if you include travel costs, which they do at that level). However, a realistic number would be $120 as the pinnacle of normal achievement with the average being $40 per hour. Keep in mind, hourly rates do not directly correlate to annual or monthly salaries, however.
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guiqul163 wrote:
Me: Yantai China, 350$/month
I make more than you. :laugh:
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I make more than you.
Really? Obviously the government increased the relief founds for mentally disabled persons.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.
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John C wrote:
U.S. citizens have a pretty skewed idea of what China is really like
Same thing with Africa, in fact it might be worse! they think we live in the bush and have lions and elephants as pets. i once chatted with an idiot who didnt believe im from Africa cause "they dont have electricity never mind computers". When i was in Europe in 2001(mostly Austria ans Germany) the people coulnt believe that were African and white! I think most of the world has no idea that South Africa is 1st world, not 3rd.
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)Harvey Saayman wrote:
Same thing with Africa, in fact it might be worse! they think we live in the bush and have lions and elephants as pets. i once chatted with an idiot who didnt believe im from Africa cause "they dont have electricity never mind computers".
:wtf: How could anyone NOT know what a Nigerian scam is these days?
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