Continuing Linux Problems
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Maybe it's just bad karma... I installed Ubuntu on my laptop and it worked (almost) perfectly. The only issue was with the WiFi not working out of the box. I had to install a wrapper for the Windows driver (ndiswrapper) to make it work. It's clear that 99% of the problems with installing Linux are drivers issues. That's because very few hardware manufacturers offer Linux version of their drivers. So the task falls on the shoulders of the contributors, and that IS one hell of a task. I think that in the coming years, as Ubuntu is getting bigger and stronger, the hardware companies will eventually start to offer Ubuntu drivers. That will be a blessing for so many people...
The problem is with the Linux coders. They don't want proprietary drivers, and a lot of hardware manufacturers aren't willing to provide open-source code. I think Linux will never become what it could be.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Christian Graus wrote:
OSX on the other hand, is pure heaven.
Well, since it's a version of BSD modified to work on a VERY limited set of hardware (proprietary motherboard and video manufacturers - ATI and nVidia cooperating with Apple by providing decent proprietary drivers), it would be pretty embarrassing if Apple had the same problems we see on Linux. When you get right down to it, Windows' ability to easily digest millions of possible hardware combinations is impressive, to say the least. Apple cheats by limiting hardware to a known proprietary configuration.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
When you get right down to it, Windows' ability to easily digest millions of possible hardware combinations is impressive, to say the least.
You're right but Windows often doesn't do it well - hardware incompatibilities all across the board, and the reason that most of the hardware works on Windows is that companies invest in Windows drivers because it has a dominant market share. Regards, --Perspx
"The Blue Screen of Death, also known as The Blue Screen of Doom, the "Blue Screen of Fun", "Phatul Exception: The WRECKening" and "Windows Vista", is a multi award-winning game first developed in 1995 by Microsoft" - Uncyclopedia Introduction to Object-Oriented JavaScript
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Christian Graus wrote:
OSX on the other hand, is pure heaven.
Well, since it's a version of BSD modified to work on a VERY limited set of hardware (proprietary motherboard and video manufacturers - ATI and nVidia cooperating with Apple by providing decent proprietary drivers), it would be pretty embarrassing if Apple had the same problems we see on Linux. When you get right down to it, Windows' ability to easily digest millions of possible hardware combinations is impressive, to say the least. Apple cheats by limiting hardware to a known proprietary configuration.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Apple cheats by limiting hardware to a known proprietary configuration.
Oh, I know. There's just no comparison, because they control both the hardware and the software. But, nevertheless, I needed to say how much I love it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Maybe it's just bad karma... I installed Ubuntu on my laptop and it worked (almost) perfectly. The only issue was with the WiFi not working out of the box. I had to install a wrapper for the Windows driver (ndiswrapper) to make it work. It's clear that 99% of the problems with installing Linux are drivers issues. That's because very few hardware manufacturers offer Linux version of their drivers. So the task falls on the shoulders of the contributors, and that IS one hell of a task. I think that in the coming years, as Ubuntu is getting bigger and stronger, the hardware companies will eventually start to offer Ubuntu drivers. That will be a blessing for so many people...
blackjack2150 wrote:
I think that in the coming years, as Ubuntu is getting bigger and stronger, the hardware companies will eventually start to offer Ubuntu drivers. That will be a blessing for so many people...
There's a new Ubuntu release every 6 months, every time with a new kernel. Even in a single release, security updates sometimes update the kernel. So as long as the kernel developers insist that having a stable API/ABI for drivers is not necessary (drivers must be recompiled for each kernel, sometimes code changes are necessary), basically the only sane way to distribute linux drivers is to put them inside the kernel distribution. Of course they only accept open-source drivers, which most hardware companies will simply refuse to do.
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Imagine having to install 5 versions of windows, trying to find one on which all your hardware works. Yeah, Linux rocks..... OSX on the other hand, is pure heaven.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Yeah I tried it once (Ubuntu) but could never even get it to boot (the screen would just display loads of corrupt random garbage and mouse / keyboard would have no effect). I tried some other one (can't remember the name) and could never get the mouse cursor to move so ended up giving up.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Apple cheats by limiting hardware to a known proprietary configuration.
Oh, I know. There's just no comparison, because they control both the hardware and the software. But, nevertheless, I needed to say how much I love it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
But, nevertheless, I needed to say how much I love it.
It's a common feeling amongst OS X users :-)
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I don't like Vista at all.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
at this moment i feel like beating up any developer that had part in that crap!!!!(see my vista annoyance post in C# forum) Why cant their software just work? Ill tell you why, its the classic case of "Its compiles, lets ship it!"
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Christian Graus wrote:
OSX on the other hand, is pure heaven.
Try installing OSX on John's hardware... :rolleyes:
I think any attempt to install OSX on my hardware would instantly create a black hole in central Texas. LHC - EAT MY DUST!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Do you realize newer Creative cards do not work under Linux?
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)This card is 10 years old. How is that "new"?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Why bother?
Kevin
Because of Vista. It looks like I'm going to have to stick with XP.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Because of Vista. It looks like I'm going to have to stick with XP.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001In case you have a laptop, chances are that you will find a detailed guide on the web with all the workarounds for the problems you may encounter for your model. I have a Dell Inspiron 1501 and I found this great blog to help me out www.ubuntu1501.com[^]. Also, there are the Ubuntu forums... Good luck! Ubuntu is really a delight once you make it run properly. :)
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- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I have Slackware
Believe me – you don’t want to do this! You probably will stick with editing huge conf files, just with a hope to make your mouse scroll working. Several years ago I was spend one week in hell trying to install Kylix/Linux dedicated IDE/ on this Slackware.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.
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- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I say - right tool for the right job. Linux is great as a web server, and I like it as a development platform but don't even bother installing any graphical environment - just use it from command line. If you want a home/office machine, your choice is clear: PC with Windows (btw, Vista rocks!) or Mac with OS X.
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- Installed Ubuntu - no sound, video difficulties (couldn't get dual monitor stuff to work - it borked up the X server beyond reason) 1) Installed PCLinux OS - no sound, video difficulties (forced to use command line to install video drivers, wouldn't let me select appropriate resolution) 2) Installed Debian 4.0 (64-bit) - no system sounds, but playing videos seems to work, video difficulties (allowed me to select 1620x1050 as allowable resolution during install, but could not select it from video settings) 3) Tried to install Fedora 9 (64-bit) - stopped installing after it correctly detected my video card and tried to start X server (I could have sworn the Fedora installer was graphical, but this one wasn't) I have Slackware, Suse, and Linspire left to try, but I'm not inclined to do so. I'm thinking the sound problems are due to the fact that I have a Audigy sound card installed on a motherboard with built-in sound. Despite being disabled in the BIOS, Linux is trying to use the onboard sound (while detecting the Audigy card). I've had this problem with built-in NICs as well (onboard NIC disabled in BIOS, but Linux tries to use it anyway). This is 2008. Linux shouldn't still be having these kinds of issues. I shouldn't have to go to the command line to build modules, install drivers, select video resolution, or make sure the sound mixer is setup correctly. I shouldn't have problems when I tell the system that I have a wide-screen monitor capable of a specific resolution, only to have the OS essentially tell me to pack sand. This is basic system functionality, fer christ's sake... I want to like Linux, but XP is simply easier to deal with...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
In case you have a laptop, chances are that you will find a detailed guide on the web with all the workarounds for the problems you may encounter for your model. I have a Dell Inspiron 1501 and I found this great blog to help me out www.ubuntu1501.com[^]. Also, there are the Ubuntu forums... Good luck! Ubuntu is really a delight once you make it run properly. :)
I have a laptop, but what does that have to do with putting Linux on my desktop machine? I have been on the ubuntu forums, and not of their "sound how-to" stuff worked. When I post here about Linux, I'm not looking for help - I'm ranting (because I'm pissed off), which implies I'm beyond seeking help.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
