Lets suppose
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
With all due respect: Isn't it just possible that you should be saying that there are things you know how to do in Java than you don't know how to do in .NET?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Interested in the reply here... I've heard a lot of Java evangelists bang on about this and that feature of Java that isn't in .NET, only to point them to a point in the MSDN doco and say "is this what you're talking about?". The only thing .NET was missing, from my point of view, was design by contract, which it gets with WCF. No argument in terms of functionality, IMHO.
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Software Engineer: a man, who when presented with a hammer states, "With this tool I can build a tool to drive nails". While I hate to disagree the choice of technologies is supremely important. The code I am currently writing, which was from my question, is going to be in Java but it would be possible to do in .NET with compromises. Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
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I'd come over, slap you silly, then buy some beer to work it out. .net or anything else is IRRELEVANT. Think business man... think customer. The customer does not give a flip about the underlying technology. Right? Do it right? Do it .net? How about "do it done"? If you have a great idea, move on it. cg...... yeah, I'm curious
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That some one had the next great idea in business software development and he or she had two choices 1) Do it right, or 2) Do it in .NET ... which would you choose?
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayUsing there was a dichotomy, I'd do it right. What does do it right mean, in this instance, C++ ?
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That some one had the next great idea in business software development and he or she had two choices 1) Do it right, or 2) Do it in .NET ... which would you choose?
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway- Do it right IN .NET :) Could you give an example of what you think can be done in Jave and not in .Net? Robert
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Software Engineer: a man, who when presented with a hammer states, "With this tool I can build a tool to drive nails". While I hate to disagree the choice of technologies is supremely important. The code I am currently writing, which was from my question, is going to be in Java but it would be possible to do in .NET with compromises. Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayThis is really interesting, could you give some pointer as to what Java can do that .Net can't? So far most things I have come across are usually smoother .Net due to better tooling and the language itself seems generally more powerful, but that is to be expected as it is a language that came after Java.
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Software Engineer: a man, who when presented with a hammer states, "With this tool I can build a tool to drive nails". While I hate to disagree the choice of technologies is supremely important. The code I am currently writing, which was from my question, is going to be in Java but it would be possible to do in .NET with compromises. Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayEnnis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
Such as...? :~
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Interested in the reply here... I've heard a lot of Java evangelists bang on about this and that feature of Java that isn't in .NET, only to point them to a point in the MSDN doco and say "is this what you're talking about?". The only thing .NET was missing, from my point of view, was design by contract, which it gets with WCF. No argument in terms of functionality, IMHO.
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melchizidech wrote:
The only thing .NET was missing, from my point of view, was design by contract, which it gets with WCF.
That is not Design by Contract as is commonly understood. It's still missing Design by Contract as is commonly understood! (As is almost everything by the way and certainly everything that's mainstream.)
Kevin
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That some one had the next great idea in business software development and he or she had two choices 1) Do it right, or 2) Do it in .NET ... which would you choose?
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayEnnis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
- Do it right, or 2) Do it in .NET
Does doing it in .NET mean that that's doing it wrong..? Regards, --Perspx
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I'd come over, slap you silly, then buy some beer to work it out. .net or anything else is IRRELEVANT. Think business man... think customer. The customer does not give a flip about the underlying technology. Right? Do it right? Do it .net? How about "do it done"? If you have a great idea, move on it. cg...... yeah, I'm curious
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charlieg wrote:
The customer does not give a flip about the underlying technology.
Usually true. Unless his marketing buddies have convinced him to add sizzle to his product with .Net / cloud architecture / etc. Dealing with a client who wants a specific technology is like walking a mine field. You have to ask him what he expects from the product, and give him a cost breakdown of using various implementation technologies.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
Such as...? :~
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Being the customer myself I have already fully described the entire requirements for the project. I just thought it was an interesting perspective to consider, knowing that I could hit some function points using .NET and 100% using Java.
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charlieg wrote:
show the customer working code, and you start to define true requirements.
One of the easiest ways to go broke. In the early 90's I was a guru in a product called Superbase, an excellent PC based database along the lines of Access. It was ALWAYS a hard sell to get the clients to accept Superbase over MS products. I eventually gave Superbase the flick and went to Access then SQL Server/VB. While you statement MAY be valid for small business any medium sized organisation is and should always be interested in the technology you are proposing. Get it wrong and you have a hard sell and a shrinking market.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I'm confused - how would I grow broke by getting something running to show the customer early? Call it semi-RAD or agile, whatever, but requirements have always been the bugaboo in s/w development. Wait, is "show the customer working code" the part you object too? I'd change that to working product. No customer needs to see source.
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Believe it or not there are some things you can do in Java that you cannot do in .NET.
With all due respect: Isn't it just possible that you should be saying that there are things you know how to do in Java than you don't know how to do in .NET?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I don't know how to make my .NET application run on Solaris, Macinitosh, Linux, Win95, Win98, Win2000, WinXP, and WinVista all at the same time without writing a web-based system that won' work in this case.
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
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I don't know how to make my .NET application run on Solaris, Macinitosh, Linux, Win95, Win98, Win2000, WinXP, and WinVista all at the same time without writing a web-based system that won' work in this case.
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayEnnis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
I don't know how to make my .NET application run on Solaris, Macinitosh, Linux, Win95, Win98, Win2000, WinXP, and WinVista all at the same time without writing a web-based system that won' work in this case.
Good answer. :-D
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I don't know how to make my .NET application run on Solaris, Macinitosh, Linux, Win95, Win98, Win2000, WinXP, and WinVista all at the same time without writing a web-based system that won' work in this case.
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayEnnis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
I don't know how to make my .NET application run on Solaris, Macinitosh, Linux, Win95, Win98, Win2000, WinXP, and WinVista all at the same time without writing a web-based system that won' work in this case.
You have a good point there :D I don't think I would bank a software project on something like mono. At the same time I'm guessing you'll have plenty of issues getting a "GUI" based java application to run nicely on all those system. It always depends on the app of course.
Todd Smith
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I'm confused - how would I grow broke by getting something running to show the customer early? Call it semi-RAD or agile, whatever, but requirements have always been the bugaboo in s/w development. Wait, is "show the customer working code" the part you object too? I'd change that to working product. No customer needs to see source.
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin
charlieg wrote:
No customer needs to see source.
True except that the customer has to foot the support bill. If this is not part of the negotiation the customer has no idea what is in stall. Support is a larger cost than the development cost and if it is an obscure technology then support resources become an issue. Actually I don't argue with the prototyping, I would often do this to sell a solution. My objection is your reducing the importance of the technology flavour, in my experience it was often a deal breaker. While small business usually does not care, medium and corporates certainly will.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH