I give up... more source control...
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Basically, you need a procedure that forms part of your departmental quality procedure. With this in place, you have a stated position as to what your source control is - and everybody signs up to that, because (and I'm making a big assumption about your organisation here), quality tends to be part of your disciplinary culture.
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Geez. We live in such a complacent world. Basically, these people should be told "get with the program (pun intended) or execute vector<DumbSh*tEmployee>::pop()" (ok, my STL is rusty) Marc
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Geez. We live in such a complacent world. Basically, these people should be told "get with the program (pun intended) or execute vector<DumbSh*tEmployee>::pop()" (ok, my STL is rusty) Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
(ok, my STL is rusty)
It's MTL - Marc's Trashing Language.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
(ok, my STL is rusty)
It's MTL - Marc's Trashing Language.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's MTL - Marc's Trashing Language.
Hehe. I've been reworking some C++ code for client (I'm a rocket scientist again, sort of :jig: ) that resurrected a project 8 years old. OMG. It's so wierd going back to C++. I hope I don't go schizo. Marc
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's MTL - Marc's Trashing Language.
Hehe. I've been reworking some C++ code for client (I'm a rocket scientist again, sort of :jig: ) that resurrected a project 8 years old. OMG. It's so wierd going back to C++. I hope I don't go schizo. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I hope I don't go schizo.
too late. ;P
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
I fail to understand something. You have source control. Everyone appears to be using this. Why is this *one* individual not using it? How does he get away with this? He is an employee right? If he doesn't like it he can go pound sand or find another job.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's MTL - Marc's Trashing Language.
Hehe. I've been reworking some C++ code for client (I'm a rocket scientist again, sort of :jig: ) that resurrected a project 8 years old. OMG. It's so wierd going back to C++. I hope I don't go schizo. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I hope I don't go schizo.
Was that you or your evil twin that said that?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
prefers all tools to be command line
And apparently doesn't know how to use the 'Net, since SVN has plenty of good command line tools. :rolleyes:
El Corazon wrote:
Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week
Have you considered setting up build scripts that roll back the last revision whenever the build breaks? :~
El Corazon wrote:
Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more.
Tell him he can go back to using VSS when he trades in his PC for this computer[^]. I'm sure VSS works just fine with it. :-\
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more.
You should tell him that SVN works the way it does by design. You see, unlike VSS, SVN was actually designed. VSS was just something that accidentally came to existence when a Microsoft employee happened to spill coffee in the keyboard. Seriously.. with a team like that, you guys need to dish out warnings of the sterner kind.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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El Corazon wrote:
Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more.
You should tell him that SVN works the way it does by design. You see, unlike VSS, SVN was actually designed. VSS was just something that accidentally came to existence when a Microsoft employee happened to spill coffee in the keyboard. Seriously.. with a team like that, you guys need to dish out warnings of the sterner kind.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
VSS was just something that accidentally came to existence when a Microsoft employee happened to spill coffee in the keyboard.
I thought VSS was what happened when Microsoft bought it off a company that spilled coffee on the keyboard.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
He who breaks the evening build buys donuts for the team the next day.
MrPlankton
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
VSS was just something that accidentally came to existence when a Microsoft employee happened to spill coffee in the keyboard.
I thought VSS was what happened when Microsoft bought it off a company that spilled coffee on the keyboard.
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I just looked at your profile, you are a CEO , What the hell are you doing here? This is CEO free zone.Anyways I need to get these things out of my chess, I still have them from my x-job: 1- Stop hiring id**ts ! 2- Being a CEO does not mean you are Project manager, development manager, programmer and DataBase Adminstrator ! Have a good day !
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I just looked at your profile, you are a CEO , What the hell are you doing here? This is CEO free zone.Anyways I need to get these things out of my chess, I still have them from my x-job: 1- Stop hiring id**ts ! 2- Being a CEO does not mean you are Project manager, development manager, programmer and DataBase Adminstrator ! Have a good day !
Bassam Saoud wrote:
I just looked at your profile, you are a CEO , What the hell are you doing here?
I'm actually an MD (Managing Director - not Doctor), but they don't have MD in the drop down.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Being a CEO does not mean you are Project manager, development manager, programmer and DataBase Adminstrator !
No - but it does mean that you're isolated from the people who'll tell you this by a huge layer of suckups.
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Bassam Saoud wrote:
I just looked at your profile, you are a CEO , What the hell are you doing here?
I'm actually an MD (Managing Director - not Doctor), but they don't have MD in the drop down.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Being a CEO does not mean you are Project manager, development manager, programmer and DataBase Adminstrator !
No - but it does mean that you're isolated from the people who'll tell you this by a huge layer of suckups.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
No - but it does mean that you're isolated from the people who'll tell you this by a huge layer of suckups
you call them suckups, I call them idiots.I heard last month that the company I was refering to closed. 50 people i.e. 50 families lost an income and that is in freakin lebanon man, they will not find a substitue anytime soon. Reasons, bad Management: - Suckups - Nothing get done - No problem get reported.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
No - but it does mean that you're isolated from the people who'll tell you this by a huge layer of suckups
you call them suckups, I call them idiots.I heard last month that the company I was refering to closed. 50 people i.e. 50 families lost an income and that is in freakin lebanon man, they will not find a substitue anytime soon. Reasons, bad Management: - Suckups - Nothing get done - No problem get reported.
When you think about it, nobody likes to tell the person above them about problems. So, the CEO is being "protected" from bad news by everybody below him. He couldn't tell you if it was raining if he looked out the window.
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When you think about it, nobody likes to tell the person above them about problems. So, the CEO is being "protected" from bad news by everybody below him. He couldn't tell you if it was raining if he looked out the window.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
When you think about it, nobody likes to tell the person above them about problems.
I always tell my suprivisor in a very clear and professional way any problem I have. Between, in that job, I was the only person who brought up the problem, but nothing change so I left. I brought it up with my immediate manager nothing changed. Then we had this "looking to the future" meeting with CEO and president present, I brought the problem up again. Nothing happened. I knew then that my career is not with that company. Imagine ten of your core team developers leaving the company with no questions asked.
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
OK OK, it's easy. You look at him with those helpless kitten eyes, lean forwards so he isn't looking at your face, say in a soft husky voice "There is something I'd like you to do for me.", lean back and smile slightly then... Go into full PMT ninja mode and scream "Check in the code when you're told and after you've checked the build works or you'll get the same as the last guy! :mad: :laugh: Just don't ask me what happened to the last guy :-O
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We have one programmer who wants it kept a file system with directory structure that is nested almost as deep as his code, doesn't like branch/merge and prefers all tools to be command line. Another submits all the time and breaks the build at least once a week (and is on vacation after making one such fatal commit before leaving). Another who submits rarely complaining that svn doesn't act enough like VSS and when it does he will do it more. A few others do what ever they want because they don't share and don't team, and will not either. yet when there is a problem, I am supposed to be "Scotty" and get everything fixed. I don't want this trouble. If my company was only doing good enough to pay health insurance... gonna hide in my office for fifteen minutes before I shift to Scotty mode. I need a (tm)Trollslayer method for dealing with teams... I wonder if she'll contract out to teach the (tm)Trollslayer method.... *sigh*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Do you have a QA department or release manager? Someone needs to be in control of releases and hopefully releases are pushed to a testing environment. Are you using a build server with something like CruiseControl.NET?
Todd Smith
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I hope I don't go schizo.
Was that you or your evil twin that said that?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Was that you or your evil twin that said that?
My evil twin. No it wasn't! It was you! Hah, always blaming the good guy, aren't you? Well, you're the one that's always optimistic and telling the client "no problem!" :rolleyes: ;P Marc & Marc
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's MTL - Marc's Trashing Language.
Hehe. I've been reworking some C++ code for client (I'm a rocket scientist again, sort of :jig: ) that resurrected a project 8 years old. OMG. It's so wierd going back to C++. I hope I don't go schizo. Marc
Heh - I've got a proof of concept project on the go at the moment using Haskell[^] on the client side (using libcurl to provide very, very easy to program HTTP access), Python for the web service layer and C# for Windows services providing server-side functionality behind the web layer. Admittedly the Haskell is as much for a learning exercise as anything (and a very pleasant experience it's been), as is part of the C# (a monitoring app on the server is my first taste of WPF :-)), but it's still gratifying that it's all worked together very easily.