Are we, as Developers, bored?
-
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Good luck with the whole Ramadan thing mate. I'll hoist a glass of, errrr, water for you tonight
:laugh: Cheers! :water: I'm dying for a glass of water at the moment... :sigh: Don't mind the lack of food thing, and I'm not the overly religious type so I don't get into the religious "frenzy" that some get but I hate the way working hours are shot to hell because so many decide to slack off because they're not eating/smoking/drinking coffee. I solved it by working through the night and waking up a bit later :)
Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful
Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There's no point questioning the actions of a c0ck-juggling thunderc*nt" From the book of testy commentary by martin_hughes Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I solved it by working through the night and waking up a bit later
i did the same thing _______________________________ FF 3 ,IE beta 2 and now Chrome . you think ur website will work on all of them ?? i dont think so :)
-
There's a new browser?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
-----
"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
There's a new browser?
-
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
It's a little odd.
Not really, in my opinion. You have to assume that a professional dev, or anyone else for that matter, who has the free time to hang out and chat in the Lounge all day must be bored already. When I used to hang out here 24/7, I was working a consulting gig where I essentially kept a seat warm for months on end. Now that I have a job that keeps me quite busy, I cannot fathom having the time to keep up with all the threads. Not that I dislike hanging out here, I just don't have time to anymore, at least, not during the work-day.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Sleep is overrated.
-
Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
I would try to add to this but you pretty much said it all. Well put. -CB
-
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Wow... "YABR"... "Yet another browse"...
Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com
-
Are group hugs generally available?
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .
-
How could people have missed SQL 2008... It has Upsert!!
Einstein argued that there must be simplified explanations of nature, because God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer. -Fred Brooks
Insdate?
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .
-
i have no idea what the excitement over Chrome is about. it makes no sense to me eihter.
Quite like the look of chrome, nice and light-weight (looking). If it will upset the morale high-ground that Firefox evangelists have camped out on I, for one, will chuckle.
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .
-
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I'm completely bored out of my head with my current projects lol I need a change of pace!
Happy programming!
-
i have no idea what the excitement over Chrome is about. it makes no sense to me eihter.
-
i have no idea what the excitement over Chrome is about. it makes no sense to me eihter.
I think it's just a corporate thing ;) I was wonder how many articles were posted on ComputerWorld about Chrome in less than 24 hrs all aiming as if Chrome has brought a morning with BLUE MOON :doh: How can you test and justify the capability of a browser that is one day old and then posted your reviews about it :confused: I was far more disappointed by this biased attitude of reviewers at computerworld and it seems every one is actually running before $$ and it's getting harder and harder to really find true analysts that can give unbiased reviews about products. It is more becoming a matter of personal liking and disliking rather than true judgments and i believe critics should avoid this else there is no difference b/w a critic reviewing a product and a normal person who likes a company's name to review its products :mad:
Syed Muhammad Fahad System Consultant Tyler Technologies -- TEMS Division mfahad@mazikusa.com
-
The exitement over Chrome is partly like watching a new prize fighter enter the ring...we're all kind of curious to watch the Chrome/IE/Firefox death match. Also, it's interesting to see their strategies and tactics to win our 'hearts and minds'.
-
Where would you like to place Opera in all this? I would like to see a browser properly adressing the presentation problem, a browser that rendering pages the way we expected them to be. How hard is it just to read the CSS spesification and really TRY to implement it. A great idea would be to build a unified rendering engine. THIS is what McCain and Obama should be concerned about these days. (edited for spelling errors)
modified on Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:51 PM
I totally live with Opera and IE7. I have a whole thread on Opera love. Chrome will be so marginal in the impact, I think it is a test bed for their upcoming devices and will not really be seriously used for a browser as they don't take it so seriously themselves. I predict 15% marketshare tops in a year. It is a partial abortion. On the topic, I sit at the largest trade paper in Hollywood, Variety.com, it is powered by an ASP CMS that launched mid-dotcom boom and has not been updated in about 4 years. No way is this a smart career move for me, but I am not about to suggested the *latest* technology or to drink the MS Kool Aid, though a dotnet app is probaly the best suited. The problem is we are all cutting edge, yet highly skeptical people so when things don't progress as fast as our tirst for knowledge we get antsy, then pissy and finally... dis-gruntled. We concern ourselves with what we are missing, and then when we have it all we want something *else*.
*--==[::tSc::]==--* www.TestShoot.com www.variety.com www.itssobig.com www.Filmsupplies.com
-
Where would you like to place Opera in all this? I would like to see a browser properly adressing the presentation problem, a browser that rendering pages the way we expected them to be. How hard is it just to read the CSS spesification and really TRY to implement it. A great idea would be to build a unified rendering engine. THIS is what McCain and Obama should be concerned about these days. (edited for spelling errors)
modified on Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:51 PM
The interest isn't the _what_, it's the _who_. People love Google, for some reason. I'm not sure if it's some sort of "David vs. Goliath" thing, because neither Google nor Microsoft qualify as a "David". But there's a lot of interest in the MSFT vs. GOOG battle, be it the new browser war or the previously insanely-covered "impending search war" when MSFT was going to buy Yahoo!.
-
i have no idea what the excitement over Chrome is about. it makes no sense to me eihter.
Mostly Chrome offers the typical standard way of managing content from the web, but also a way to extend this management to other forms of content in a real-time manner.
-
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
-
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
No, As a Developer I never get Bored, Even I always look forward to see more new techniques to be used on windows and Web Applications both in .net.
-
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Yes I am bored. Microsoft is losing its marketing muscle, with quiet product launches and crappy Jerry Seinfled ads! I'm glad Chrome woke us all up..
-
Where would you like to place Opera in all this? I would like to see a browser properly adressing the presentation problem, a browser that rendering pages the way we expected them to be. How hard is it just to read the CSS spesification and really TRY to implement it. A great idea would be to build a unified rendering engine. THIS is what McCain and Obama should be concerned about these days. (edited for spelling errors)
modified on Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:51 PM
netfed wrote:
just to read the proposed CSS spesification
Since McCain and Obama are too busy promoting themselves for a job, they won't do anything about anything (even after the election too much OTJ training to do). On the other hand, just reading the specs and getting it right is much harder than spelling all the words right in your post.
-
I totally live with Opera and IE7. I have a whole thread on Opera love. Chrome will be so marginal in the impact, I think it is a test bed for their upcoming devices and will not really be seriously used for a browser as they don't take it so seriously themselves. I predict 15% marketshare tops in a year. It is a partial abortion. On the topic, I sit at the largest trade paper in Hollywood, Variety.com, it is powered by an ASP CMS that launched mid-dotcom boom and has not been updated in about 4 years. No way is this a smart career move for me, but I am not about to suggested the *latest* technology or to drink the MS Kool Aid, though a dotnet app is probaly the best suited. The problem is we are all cutting edge, yet highly skeptical people so when things don't progress as fast as our tirst for knowledge we get antsy, then pissy and finally... dis-gruntled. We concern ourselves with what we are missing, and then when we have it all we want something *else*.
*--==[::tSc::]==--* www.TestShoot.com www.variety.com www.itssobig.com www.Filmsupplies.com
Well said. I couldn't agree more. :rose: