Recruiter fees
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A friend has been contacted by a recruiter for an engineering position. Nice enough salary and an interesting job, he teels me. The problem is that he was told that hiring company pays nothing to the recruiters and that the recruiter's fee was 10% of his paycheck. He asked me if this is normal or too much or what. My first thought was... 10% of the first paycheck? of every paycheck? He said he didn't know but would ask. Indeed, it would make a huge, huge difference. But the truth is that I don't have experience on this so I'm putting the question to you gys. Anyone can give me any information to pass along? He is in Japan and the recruiters are a Japanese company and the job is at a Japanese company (he isn't Japanese), in case it matters.
In a previous life I worked as a slave trader recruitment consultant in the UK, so.... Typically when a candidate is placed in a company the recruitment company receives a single one off fee which in my experience the company always pays. This fee depends on any agreements between the company and the recruitment agency and can be anything from 5% to 40% of the starting salary. When I was doing the job the average fee was 17% and we would drop to 10% for companies that regularly used our services. I have to admit I have never come across any recruitment agency that requires the placed candidate to pay a fee, however as this is Japan and I have no experience of this I do not want to stick my neck out and say that your friend has misinterpreted. I would suggest that your friend contacts the recruiter and clarifies the fee structure/responsibilities. If he is required to pay I would also ask if this fee can be paid over an agreed period of time (i.e. via instalments), 10% of your salary is a large amount of money to pay out in one lump some.
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How does the recruiter earn then? I never thought that they did recruiting voluntarily or as a social service :)
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First do Recruiters take money :omg: I thought they do it for free to help people find jobs
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
Job agencies have to be paid by someone - the who depends on if the job is contract or permanent.
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .
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Maybe there, but here it is not :((
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i have a job for you Dalek i want u to be my middleman. First what is the salary of a web developer in UK?
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
Well I do it for free. (Actually I am an accountant, but do all the Tech stuff as well, so I have the salary encompassed in my total package, which is not inconsiderable!)
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I'm in the UK and I've never heard of a reputable recruiter / company expecting a percentage fee from an employee for a permanent job. Is the job permanent or is it a contract? Contractors routinely pay a cut of their monthly pay (every month) to the job agency, anywhere from 10% to 50% (depending on who is getting screwed). Permanent staff are recruited with the company paying 10% to 50% of the annual salary to the job agency; often split in two halves - half immediately payable and half payable after a reasonable probationary period.
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .
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Well I do it for free. (Actually I am an accountant, but do all the Tech stuff as well, so I have the salary encompassed in my total package, which is not inconsiderable!)
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Anup Shinde wrote:
Payment must be done by the employer Smile and not the employee
And what is the joke icon doing there?
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In a previous life I worked as a slave trader recruitment consultant in the UK, so.... Typically when a candidate is placed in a company the recruitment company receives a single one off fee which in my experience the company always pays. This fee depends on any agreements between the company and the recruitment agency and can be anything from 5% to 40% of the starting salary. When I was doing the job the average fee was 17% and we would drop to 10% for companies that regularly used our services. I have to admit I have never come across any recruitment agency that requires the placed candidate to pay a fee, however as this is Japan and I have no experience of this I do not want to stick my neck out and say that your friend has misinterpreted. I would suggest that your friend contacts the recruiter and clarifies the fee structure/responsibilities. If he is required to pay I would also ask if this fee can be paid over an agreed period of time (i.e. via instalments), 10% of your salary is a large amount of money to pay out in one lump some.
Thank you for this information. My understanding is that he was told that the fee came to be 10% of his paycheck. It didn't occur to him to ask if it was his first check or every single one after. So I sent him back for details. Still, it does sound strange that _he_ has to pay. I wonder...
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ya ya but in UK what is the range of salaries that web developer takes?
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
Dependant on Age/Experience/Ability etc £20-£30K poss a bit more.
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Dependant on Age/Experience/Ability etc £20-£30K poss a bit more.
------------------------------------ The meek shall inherit the Earth. And the rest of us will go to the stars. - Omni Magazine
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Dalek Dave wrote:
£20-£30K poss a bit more.
Is that per month ?
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
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:wtf: No, that would be per year! I think dave is underestimating a bit though, I get emailed alot of jobs in the £30K - £40K range, albeit they are in/around London where the cost of living is considerably higher.
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J4amieC wrote:
£30K - £40K range
Does that include fresh grad.?
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
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I'm in the UK and I've never heard of a reputable recruiter / company expecting a percentage fee from an employee for a permanent job. Is the job permanent or is it a contract? Contractors routinely pay a cut of their monthly pay (every month) to the job agency, anywhere from 10% to 50% (depending on who is getting screwed). Permanent staff are recruited with the company paying 10% to 50% of the annual salary to the job agency; often split in two halves - half immediately payable and half payable after a reasonable probationary period.
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .
If your paying 50% you'd better have the Ky jelly, ouch!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Thank you for this information. My understanding is that he was told that the fee came to be 10% of his paycheck. It didn't occur to him to ask if it was his first check or every single one after. So I sent him back for details. Still, it does sound strange that _he_ has to pay. I wonder...
I would wonder as well, it really does sound like the recruiter is trying to scam your friend. Check with other recruiters what the normal practice is in japan.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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That's what I thought. If a company seeks the services of a recruiter, why would the employee have to pay? I does sound fishy, doesn't it?
DaTxomin wrote:
I does sound fishy, doesn't it?
It is Japan and I understand they really like their seafood!
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It is free here. you can find job listed in a free paper that is published weekly it is called "Alwaseet" in english means like "middleman"
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
And who pays for the advert?!
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First do Recruiters take money :omg: I thought they do it for free to help people find jobs
The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon
So much for trying to act normal, eh retard?
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:wtf: No, that would be per year! I think dave is underestimating a bit though, I get emailed alot of jobs in the £30K - £40K range, albeit they are in/around London where the cost of living is considerably higher.
J4amieC wrote:
I get emailed alot of jobs in the £30K - £40K range, albeit they are in/around London where the cost of living is considerably higher.
London developer salaries are depressed. It used to be that a London salary took into account the cost of living there, but now London developer salaries are pretty much what you'll get in the rest of the UK. Seriously, if you live in London and are a developer move out, you'll get paid the same, your cost of living will go down, consequently your standard of living will go up. I looked at relocating until I saw that I'd be earning the same as I get in Glasgow.
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