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  • L Lost User

    i know this is in business but i first time hear about Recruiters take money for being middleman as i said down here it is free here

    The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon

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    Dalek Dave
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    Are yours paid for by the Government? We have "Job Centers" that are the same, free advertising no fees etc, but they are large monolithic things run by the government and aimed more at the lower end of the job market. Technical or skilled positions tend to be specialist recruitment company based.

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    • L Lost User

      NOT the employer NOR the employee. It should be free I think

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      Dalek Dave
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      Maybe there, but here it is not :((

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        Kickers? As in the shoe brand?:~ (only "kickers" I can think of atm)

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        Phannon wrote:

        Kickers? As in the shoe brand?:~ (only "kickers" I can think of atm)

        He meant to type knickers, as in underpants. Japan has vending machines where you can buy underwear that has supposably been worn by young, good looking, sexually active women, who for reasons known only to themselves decide to not wash and reuse but sell to some company. Sounds great doesn't it.

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        • L leppie

          No, it should not be paid by you. You have a salary, the company pays you that, on the agreed amount. The company pays the recruiter the fee.

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          Brady Kelly
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          Leppie, that's how it should be, but remember, in SA us wekkuhs are protected much more than other places in the world.

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          • L Lost User

            Phannon wrote:

            arrange an interview etc. then gets his comission if the guys gets hired

            "Alwaseet" the paper i was talking about they don't take comission even if the person gets hired they anly ask you to tell the company that you raed their post in their paperand that is it no money taken by teh paper

            The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon

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            phannon86
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            Same here, if the company put an advert in the paper, they wouldn't charge a commission.

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            • L Lost User

              i know this is in business but i first time hear about Recruiters take money for being middleman as i said down here it is free here

              The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon

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              Brady Kelly
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              On what money do the recruiters live?

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                Are yours paid for by the Government? We have "Job Centers" that are the same, free advertising no fees etc, but they are large monolithic things run by the government and aimed more at the lower end of the job market. Technical or skilled positions tend to be specialist recruitment company based.

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                Lost User
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                Dalek Dave wrote:

                Are yours paid for by the Government?

                :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The Government don't pay anything here, they only take take take and take and gave zero...

                The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon

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                • L Lost User

                  NOT the employer NOR the employee. It should be free I think

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                  Lost User
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                  How does the recruiter earn then? I never thought that they did recruiting voluntarily or as a social service :)

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                  • L leppie

                    No, it should not be paid by you. You have a salary, the company pays you that, on the agreed amount. The company pays the recruiter the fee.

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                    I'm in the UK and I've never heard of a reputable recruiter / company expecting a percentage fee from an employee for a permanent job. Is the job permanent or is it a contract? Contractors routinely pay a cut of their monthly pay (every month) to the job agency, anywhere from 10% to 50% (depending on who is getting screwed). Permanent staff are recruited with the company paying 10% to 50% of the annual salary to the job agency; often split in two halves - half immediately payable and half payable after a reasonable probationary period.

                    "If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .

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                    • L Lost User

                      How does the recruiter earn then? I never thought that they did recruiting voluntarily or as a social service :)

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                      You are right. in large recruiting companies they most have income to proceed

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                      • D DaTxomin

                        A friend has been contacted by a recruiter for an engineering position. Nice enough salary and an interesting job, he teels me. The problem is that he was told that hiring company pays nothing to the recruiters and that the recruiter's fee was 10% of his paycheck. He asked me if this is normal or too much or what. My first thought was... 10% of the first paycheck? of every paycheck? He said he didn't know but would ask. Indeed, it would make a huge, huge difference. But the truth is that I don't have experience on this so I'm putting the question to you gys. Anyone can give me any information to pass along? He is in Japan and the recruiters are a Japanese company and the job is at a Japanese company (he isn't Japanese), in case it matters.

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                        In a previous life I worked as a slave trader recruitment consultant in the UK, so.... Typically when a candidate is placed in a company the recruitment company receives a single one off fee which in my experience the company always pays. This fee depends on any agreements between the company and the recruitment agency and can be anything from 5% to 40% of the starting salary. When I was doing the job the average fee was 17% and we would drop to 10% for companies that regularly used our services. I have to admit I have never come across any recruitment agency that requires the placed candidate to pay a fee, however as this is Japan and I have no experience of this I do not want to stick my neck out and say that your friend has misinterpreted. I would suggest that your friend contacts the recruiter and clarifies the fee structure/responsibilities. If he is required to pay I would also ask if this fee can be paid over an agreed period of time (i.e. via instalments), 10% of your salary is a large amount of money to pay out in one lump some.

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                        • L Lost User

                          First do Recruiters take money :omg: I thought they do it for free to help people find jobs

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                          ftw melvin
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                          Job agencies have to be paid by someone - the who depends on if the job is contract or permanent.

                          "If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .

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                          • D Dalek Dave

                            Maybe there, but here it is not :((

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                            i have a job for you Dalek i want u to be my middleman. First what is the salary of a web developer in UK?

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                              i have a job for you Dalek i want u to be my middleman. First what is the salary of a web developer in UK?

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                              Dalek Dave
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                              Well I do it for free. (Actually I am an accountant, but do all the Tech stuff as well, so I have the salary encompassed in my total package, which is not inconsiderable!)

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                              • F ftw melvin

                                I'm in the UK and I've never heard of a reputable recruiter / company expecting a percentage fee from an employee for a permanent job. Is the job permanent or is it a contract? Contractors routinely pay a cut of their monthly pay (every month) to the job agency, anywhere from 10% to 50% (depending on who is getting screwed). Permanent staff are recruited with the company paying 10% to 50% of the annual salary to the job agency; often split in two halves - half immediately payable and half payable after a reasonable probationary period.

                                "If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone." Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War. .

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                                DaTxomin
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                                It's a permanent position and, yes, I also don't understand why my friend and not the employer has to pay the fee. If it is a Japanese thing... I couldn't say really. I just don't have experience with recruiters anywhere.

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                                  Well I do it for free. (Actually I am an accountant, but do all the Tech stuff as well, so I have the salary encompassed in my total package, which is not inconsiderable!)

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                                  ya ya but in UK what is the range of salaries that web developer takes?

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    Payment must be done by the employer :) and not the employee

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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                    Anup Shinde wrote:

                                    Payment must be done by the employer Smile and not the employee

                                    And what is the joke icon doing there?

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                                    • M MrEyes

                                      In a previous life I worked as a slave trader recruitment consultant in the UK, so.... Typically when a candidate is placed in a company the recruitment company receives a single one off fee which in my experience the company always pays. This fee depends on any agreements between the company and the recruitment agency and can be anything from 5% to 40% of the starting salary. When I was doing the job the average fee was 17% and we would drop to 10% for companies that regularly used our services. I have to admit I have never come across any recruitment agency that requires the placed candidate to pay a fee, however as this is Japan and I have no experience of this I do not want to stick my neck out and say that your friend has misinterpreted. I would suggest that your friend contacts the recruiter and clarifies the fee structure/responsibilities. If he is required to pay I would also ask if this fee can be paid over an agreed period of time (i.e. via instalments), 10% of your salary is a large amount of money to pay out in one lump some.

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                                      Thank you for this information. My understanding is that he was told that the fee came to be 10% of his paycheck. It didn't occur to him to ask if it was his first check or every single one after. So I sent him back for details. Still, it does sound strange that _he_ has to pay. I wonder...

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        ya ya but in UK what is the range of salaries that web developer takes?

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                                        Dalek Dave
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                                        Dependant on Age/Experience/Ability etc £20-£30K poss a bit more.

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Dependant on Age/Experience/Ability etc £20-£30K poss a bit more.

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                                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                                          £20-£30K poss a bit more.

                                          Is that per month ?

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