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dan neely wrote:
Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours
Not at all these days. For instance, Moscow and St Petersburg are both more expensive places to live than New York City. Budapest, Prague, Belgrade and other big Eastern Europe's cities are not much behind.
If that's not scaled to represent living expenses as a fraction of wages I'd like to see a cite, since it goes against what I've heard from, someone who was until a year or so ago, a Muscovite.
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dan neely wrote:
"I'll give you $75 to make a site like ebay only better"
I would agree, but would ask them to provide me with every single item sold on eBay, as I need this for testing.
OK. But you have to buy them yourself and bill them against the total balance of the contract. We are not responsible for cost overruns on your end.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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I think you should consider a hair cut. Then have a few oranges.
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Your going to start a language war :rolleyes: I'll say go dotNet :badger:
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Your going to start a language war
Whose language you looking at? You mean to say you**'**re going to start a language war.
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Is there a LISP.NET yet? if so i choose that
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There are close.
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Drat, I thought my comment about set theory would catch the exception. /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Java
Uggghhh! Java is safer, but at the expense of expressiveness and raw power. I thought programming languages were for us people to tell computers what to do, not for computers to tell us what not to do.
Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
C#
The same thing goes for C#.
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
leonej_dt wrote:
The same thing goes for C#.
Nooit! :rolleyes:
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Web dev wins by a nose, simply by managing to stay slightly less insane than Win32/WinForms. Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
So you like Winforms over web dev? :laugh:
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Aren't they somewhat of a contradictory statements.
No. Browser incompatibilities are a pain in the... neck, but the various designs are no where near as infuriating as that big ball of mud we call Win32. Example: There are some ugly, ugly hacks in the various JS libraries, but they have a long way to go before they match the sort of insane stuff that happens inside WinForms or MFC.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
sort of insane stuff that happens inside WinForms or MFC
The Win32 stuff is much more predictable; it happens every time you run that code.
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Zhat wrote:
VBA
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From times rac was flogged on the lounge I know there're people in Eastern Europe making good money by local standards from it. Granted their COL is probably only 10% of ours, but I'd still call them success stories. If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point. :rolleyes:
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
dan neely wrote:
If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point.
Hey! :mad:
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meenakumar wrote:
Which one you prefer, like or feel more challenging..
I probably prefer web development, due to the (slightly) better documentation offered, but I have occasions with both where I want to throw myself out of a third storey window..
meenakumar wrote:
does c++ has scope still?
I still code with it, although I guess some would argue that you can get more from something like C# more easily as its a higher-level language, but I'm not particularly a fan of .NET anyway. Regards, --Perspx
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Perspx wrote:
documentation
Cough, splutter, cough, spit, CSS? Better documentationz? Nooit!
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I can only speak for myself, but desktop seems far less stressful and more flexible than web. The last web project we did (a K2.NET workflow solution) was a pain on so many levels - none of which would have been an issue on the desktop. Then again, my idea of fun is writing plug-in code for Visual Studio in C++/WTL, so what would I know...? :rolleyes:
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so what would I know...? Roll eyes
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leonej_dt wrote:
The same thing goes for C#.
Nooit! :rolleyes:
Brady Kelly wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: The same thing goes for C#. Nooit!
C# doesn't allow me to mess with pointers, define templates or even allocate objects in the stack. As far as I know, in C#, you can only use references in method parameters, that means you can't return a reference to a value type. When I need to do OOP, C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes. In other words, C# tries to tell me what to do, what to expect and how to think.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: The same thing goes for C#. Nooit!
C# doesn't allow me to mess with pointers, define templates or even allocate objects in the stack. As far as I know, in C#, you can only use references in method parameters, that means you can't return a reference to a value type. When I need to do OOP, C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes. In other words, C# tries to tell me what to do, what to expect and how to think.
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
leonej_dt wrote:
C# doesn't allow me to mess with pointers
Ever heard of
unsafecode?GCHandle?leonej_dt wrote:
define templates
C# has generics - not quite as powerful as templates, but the idea is the same (parameterized types).
leonej_dt wrote:
even allocate objects in the stack
struct?leonej_dt wrote:
As far as I know, in C#, you can only use references in method parameters, that means you can't return a reference to a value type.
Nope, you can pass
structs both into and out of a method. You can optionally pass them by reference using therefkeyword.leonej_dt wrote:
C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes.
No contesting these points :)
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leonej_dt wrote:
C# doesn't allow me to mess with pointers
Ever heard of
unsafecode?GCHandle?leonej_dt wrote:
define templates
C# has generics - not quite as powerful as templates, but the idea is the same (parameterized types).
leonej_dt wrote:
even allocate objects in the stack
struct?leonej_dt wrote:
As far as I know, in C#, you can only use references in method parameters, that means you can't return a reference to a value type.
Nope, you can pass
structs both into and out of a method. You can optionally pass them by reference using therefkeyword.leonej_dt wrote:
C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes.
No contesting these points :)
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S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
Ever heard of unsafe code? GCHandle?
Of course I know what unsafe code is. But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
C# has generics
Generics don't do what I want them to do. Besides, there is not such a thing as generic specialization.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: even allocate objects in the stack struct?
Structs don't allow inheritance.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
you can pass structs both into and out of a method. You can optionally pass them by reference using the ref keyword.
But that syntax sucks.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes. No contesting these points
There are the main reasons why I use C++.
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S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
Ever heard of unsafe code? GCHandle?
Of course I know what unsafe code is. But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
C# has generics
Generics don't do what I want them to do. Besides, there is not such a thing as generic specialization.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: even allocate objects in the stack struct?
Structs don't allow inheritance.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
you can pass structs both into and out of a method. You can optionally pass them by reference using the ref keyword.
But that syntax sucks.
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes. No contesting these points
There are the main reasons why I use C++.
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
leonej_dt wrote:
But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++.
If 98% of my code is unsafe, I wouldn't look at the .NET framework at all, never mind C#. And it's kind of pointless to argue that a language designed to run on top of such a framework doesn't support unsafe features.
leonej_dt wrote:
Generics don't do what I want them to do. Besides, there is not such a thing as generic specialization.
I don't know how you use templates - if you're a really aggressive user (think Alexi Alexadrescue's book), you'll probably find generics don't fit the bill. But for type safe containers and such, generics work great.
leonej_dt wrote:
Structs don't allow inheritance.
Yes, but how is it related to allocating them on the stack? Contrast this to Java, which simply doesn't allow user defined types to exist on the stack.
leonej_dt wrote:
But that syntax sucks.
Syntax is a subjective matter, but I'm surprised to hear this from a C++ programmer. How different is typing ref from typing an & or a *?
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leonej_dt wrote:
But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++.
If 98% of my code is unsafe, I wouldn't look at the .NET framework at all, never mind C#. And it's kind of pointless to argue that a language designed to run on top of such a framework doesn't support unsafe features.
leonej_dt wrote:
Generics don't do what I want them to do. Besides, there is not such a thing as generic specialization.
I don't know how you use templates - if you're a really aggressive user (think Alexi Alexadrescue's book), you'll probably find generics don't fit the bill. But for type safe containers and such, generics work great.
leonej_dt wrote:
Structs don't allow inheritance.
Yes, but how is it related to allocating them on the stack? Contrast this to Java, which simply doesn't allow user defined types to exist on the stack.
leonej_dt wrote:
But that syntax sucks.
Syntax is a subjective matter, but I'm surprised to hear this from a C++ programmer. How different is typing ref from typing an & or a *?
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S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
Yes, but how is it related to allocating them on the stack?
In one of my projects, an MFC dialog-based application, I have a class called CGraficosDC derived from CClientDC. In the main dialog's class, there are buttons whose event handlers look like this:
void CGraficosDlg::OnEjercicio1() { CGraficosDC dc(this); // this object lives in the stack // ... }S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
Contrast this to Java, which simply doesn't allow user defined types to exist on the stack.
Java sucks, period. But that is off-topic. [Edit: The following text was added]
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
leonej_dt wrote: But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++. If 98% of my code is unsafe, I wouldn't look at the .NET framework at all, never mind C#.
Did you think I meant C++/CLI? C'mon! [Second edit: The following text was added]
S. Senthil Kumar wrote:
Syntax is a subjective matter, but I'm surprised to hear this from a C++ programmer. How different is typing ref from typing an & or a *?
What sucks is the fact I can't write a routine like this in C#:
ReturnType& CUndocumented::AMethod(ParamType1 par1, ParamType2 par2) { // do something }If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
Your going to start a language war
Whose language you looking at? You mean to say you**'**re going to start a language war.
My language is bigger than yours ;P
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My language is bigger than yours ;P
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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yours
That's better. :laugh: