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[Brady Kelly]

leonej_dt wrote:

The same thing goes for C#.

Nooit! :rolleyes:

[Brady Kelly]

So you like Winforms over web dev? :laugh:

[Brady Kelly]

Shog9 wrote:

sort of insane stuff that happens inside WinForms or MFC

The Win32 stuff is much more predictable; it happens every time you run that code.

[Brady Kelly]

Zhat wrote:

VBA

[Brady Kelly]

dan neely wrote:

If you mean the first in a 1st world economy you might have a point.

Hey! :mad:

[Brady Kelly]

Perspx wrote:

documentation

Cough, splutter, cough, spit, CSS? Better documentationz? Nooit!

[Brady Kelly]

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:

so what would I know...? Roll eyes

:~

[leonej_dt]

Brady Kelly wrote:

leonej_dt wrote: The same thing goes for C#. Nooit!

C# doesn't allow me to mess with pointers, define templates or even allocate objects in the stack. As far as I know, in C#, you can only use references in method parameters, that means you can't return a reference to a value type. When I need to do OOP, C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes. In other words, C# tries to tell me what to do, what to expect and how to think.

If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.

[S Senthil Kumar]

leonej_dt wrote:

C# doesn't allow me to mess with pointers

Ever heard of unsafe code? GCHandle?

leonej_dt wrote:

define templates

C# has generics - not quite as powerful as templates, but the idea is the same (parameterized types).

leonej_dt wrote:

even allocate objects in the stack

struct?

leonej_dt wrote:

As far as I know, in C#, you can only use references in method parameters, that means you can't return a reference to a value type.

Nope, you can pass structs both into and out of a method. You can optionally pass them by reference using the ref keyword.

leonej_dt wrote:

C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes.

No contesting these points :)

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[leonej_dt]

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

Ever heard of unsafe code? GCHandle?

Of course I know what unsafe code is. But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++.

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

C# has generics

Generics don't do what I want them to do. Besides, there is not such a thing as generic specialization.

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

leonej_dt wrote: even allocate objects in the stack struct?

Structs don't allow inheritance.

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

you can pass structs both into and out of a method. You can optionally pass them by reference using the ref keyword.

But that syntax sucks.

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

leonej_dt wrote: C# doesn't allow me to do multiple inheritance. And when I don't need to do OOP, C# forces me to write static classes. No contesting these points

There are the main reasons why I use C++.

If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.

[S Senthil Kumar]

leonej_dt wrote:

But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++.

If 98% of my code is unsafe, I wouldn't look at the .NET framework at all, never mind C#. And it's kind of pointless to argue that a language designed to run on top of such a framework doesn't support unsafe features.

leonej_dt wrote:

Generics don't do what I want them to do. Besides, there is not such a thing as generic specialization.

I don't know how you use templates - if you're a really aggressive user (think Alexi Alexadrescue's book), you'll probably find generics don't fit the bill. But for type safe containers and such, generics work great.

leonej_dt wrote:

Structs don't allow inheritance.

Yes, but how is it related to allocating them on the stack? Contrast this to Java, which simply doesn't allow user defined types to exist on the stack.

leonej_dt wrote:

But that syntax sucks.

Syntax is a subjective matter, but I'm surprised to hear this from a C++ programmer. How different is typing ref from typing an & or a *?

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[leonej_dt]

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

Yes, but how is it related to allocating them on the stack?

In one of my projects, an MFC dialog-based application, I have a class called CGraficosDC derived from CClientDC. In the main dialog's class, there are buttons whose event handlers look like this: void CGraficosDlg::OnEjercicio1() {   CGraficosDC dc(this); // this object lives in the stack   // ... }

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

Contrast this to Java, which simply doesn't allow user defined types to exist on the stack.

Java sucks, period. But that is off-topic. [Edit: The following text was added]

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

leonej_dt wrote: But if I want 98% of my code to be unsafe, I'd rather use C++. If 98% of my code is unsafe, I wouldn't look at the .NET framework at all, never mind C#.

Did you think I meant C++/CLI? C'mon! [Second edit: The following text was added]

S. Senthil Kumar wrote:

Syntax is a subjective matter, but I'm surprised to hear this from a C++ programmer. How different is typing ref from typing an & or a *?

What sucks is the fact I can't write a routine like this in C#: ReturnType& CUndocumented::AMethod(ParamType1 par1, ParamType2 par2) { // do something }

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[Harvey Saayman]

My language is bigger than yours ;P

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[Brady Kelly]

Harvey Saayman wrote:

yours

That's better. :laugh:

[Perspx]

Yes, but at least W3C acts as a standards body; Microsoft is the standards body for Windows development, and after traversing to the depths of MSDN, I never want to go there again :sigh: Regards, --Perspx

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[Anna Jayne Metcalfe]

Now I'm confused. More coffee please!! :-\

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[Pawel Krakowiak]

I work only on hourly basis currently. ;P I don't do fixed price work, so I guess we don't match.

[El Corazon]

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Forget programming. Write haiku. Regards.

int main() // my haiku { printf("I write Haiku also\n"); printf("program C.\n");}

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[Brady Kelly]

Perspx wrote:

Microsoft is the standards body for Windows development

Not quite. C# is an open (ECMA) standard, with a free compiler and spec.