Vista crybabies
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
It's the little things: death by a thousand cuts, like the changed shortcut to move one folder up in Explorer, renamed Add/remove programs in Control Panel, etc.
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I also hate the way it informs me that I will have to confirm actions like restricted folder move operations, and *then* pops up UAC. You're going to show the bleeding UAC dialog, how about just showing it? Why make me click through two dialogs?
This is the kind of moaning and groaning I mean. Like, so what?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
If you like Vista, fine, whatever floats your boat. You chose not to install it; what are you moaning about? It's not like the Vista haters took away your Vista DVD and prevented you from installing it.
Well, Vikram, I listen to everyone in an attempt to save time and avoid pitfalls, just like a professional should. I did choose not to install it because I gave too much credence to people who made statements like the following:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
also hate the way it informs me that I will have to confirm actions like restricted folder move operations, and *then* pops up UAC. You're going to show the bleeding UAC dialog, how about just showing it? Why make me click through two dialogs?
So, by your apparent recommendation, I should not listen to whiny, bad-tempered people who make statements like this? I think I'll take that advice :-D
cpkilekofp wrote:
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
Not really. Personally I don't care about Vista one way or the other, I have it, but never use it because there's no compelling reason to, but I have noticed that they did change a number of UI elements that had been the same since at *least* NT4, for apparently no good reason. Things like the Add/Remove Programs item in the Control Panel, or the short cut that was mentioned. It's stuff like that that makes it annoying (at best) to use IMHO.
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OK, I've now installed Vista Enterprise 64-bit on my big system at home...and I'm still waiting to be annoyed at UAC popups. NOT that they don't occur, but I don't get any more messages than I used to get with McAfee security set fairly high. And it's GORGEOUS. I can't believe I listened to all those whiners all these years. Granted, I'm using up-to-date hardware with Vista support, so I've avoided a lot of the real problems - but even so, I wish I'd done this months ago.
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vista classic is a 2kish skin. MS doesn't have an XP style one available, afaik.
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Yeah, but my XP looks like 2k, too, so setting vista to look like 2k also sets it to look like XP.
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I had to test Vista Ultimate x64 on a box with 4GB 800MHz ram, 3.3GHz quad core (qx6850 OC) and GeForce 8800GTS 640 It was slow. SP1 didn't exist yet back then, I hope for your sake that it really helps
harold aptroot wrote:
I had to test Vista Ultimate x64 on a box with 4GB 800MHz ram, 3.3GHz quad core (qx6850 OC) and GeForce 8800GTS 640 It was slow. SP1 didn't exist yet back then, I hope for your sake that it really helps
I'm still testing things, so I might run into speed issues yet...however, one valid reason I waited so long to upgrade was that I was waiting for the first service pack (figuring by then any driver issues would also be resolved). I have noted a certain sluggishness, but no more than the amount I noticed after moving from Windows NT 4.0 (SP5, remember the horrors of SP6?) to Windows 2000 (with similar hardware upgrades for that time).
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cpkilekofp wrote:
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
Not really. Personally I don't care about Vista one way or the other, I have it, but never use it because there's no compelling reason to, but I have noticed that they did change a number of UI elements that had been the same since at *least* NT4, for apparently no good reason. Things like the Add/Remove Programs item in the Control Panel, or the short cut that was mentioned. It's stuff like that that makes it annoying (at best) to use IMHO.
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They refactored the whole control panel heavily. All of the changes I've noticed have fallen into the catagory of making it easier for new/non technical users to find something the first time without having extensive training in how MS software engineers thought in the mid90's. Once I got into the mindset of 'where is the most logical place to put X' instead of what would the cakheaded 90's devs have stuffed it into because there was a vague relation to an existing item, I was able to find stuff about as fast as in the classic control panel (slightly slower for stuff I'd memorized the old route, faster when I was had hunting in either). Which at least PreSP1 is something of a misnomer since it only reverts stuff that had dialogs fiddled with instead of being completely replaced. The schizophrenic feel of that was a nightmare since I never knew if I should be in old or new mode when looking for something. That's going to be a pain after I retire my XP desktop and need to write hand hold guides for my mom. :doh:
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harold aptroot wrote:
I had to test Vista Ultimate x64 on a box with 4GB 800MHz ram, 3.3GHz quad core (qx6850 OC) and GeForce 8800GTS 640 It was slow. SP1 didn't exist yet back then, I hope for your sake that it really helps
I'm still testing things, so I might run into speed issues yet...however, one valid reason I waited so long to upgrade was that I was waiting for the first service pack (figuring by then any driver issues would also be resolved). I have noted a certain sluggishness, but no more than the amount I noticed after moving from Windows NT 4.0 (SP5, remember the horrors of SP6?) to Windows 2000 (with similar hardware upgrades for that time).
cpkilekofp wrote:
Windows NT 4.0 (SP5, remember the horrors of SP6?)
What happened then. The only NT4 box I have is SP6a (IIRC needed for .net 1.1) that's the tail end of the legacy testing for an app I worked on in the past.
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cpkilekofp wrote:
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
Not really. Personally I don't care about Vista one way or the other, I have it, but never use it because there's no compelling reason to, but I have noticed that they did change a number of UI elements that had been the same since at *least* NT4, for apparently no good reason. Things like the Add/Remove Programs item in the Control Panel, or the short cut that was mentioned. It's stuff like that that makes it annoying (at best) to use IMHO.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Not really. Personally I don't care about Vista one way or the other, I have it, but never use it because there's no compelling reason to, but I have noticed that they did change a number of UI elements that had been the same since at *least* NT4, for apparently no good reason. Things like the Add/Remove Programs item in the Control Panel, or the short cut that was mentioned. It's stuff like that that makes it annoying (at best) to use IMHO.
Yup, I understand completely...I didn't upgrade to XP on my home boxes until THIS YEAR :laugh: And only because I couldn't support modern browser versions properly (neither IE nor Firefox would load Yahoo Mail properly anymore).
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cpkilekofp wrote:
we're still a cottage industry
More like a cottage cheese industry ;P
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harold aptroot wrote:
I had to test Vista Ultimate x64 on a box with 4GB 800MHz ram, 3.3GHz quad core (qx6850 OC) and GeForce 8800GTS 640 It was slow. SP1 didn't exist yet back then, I hope for your sake that it really helps
I'm still testing things, so I might run into speed issues yet...however, one valid reason I waited so long to upgrade was that I was waiting for the first service pack (figuring by then any driver issues would also be resolved). I have noted a certain sluggishness, but no more than the amount I noticed after moving from Windows NT 4.0 (SP5, remember the horrors of SP6?) to Windows 2000 (with similar hardware upgrades for that time).
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cpkilekofp wrote:
Windows NT 4.0 (SP5, remember the horrors of SP6?)
What happened then. The only NT4 box I have is SP6a (IIRC needed for .net 1.1) that's the tail end of the legacy testing for an app I worked on in the past.
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dan neely wrote:
What happened then. The only NT4 box I have is SP6a (IIRC needed for .net 1.1) that's the tail end of the legacy testing for an app I worked on in the past.
SP6 (no a) was an unmitigated disaster, and our PC guy got fired for deploying it to production without adequate testing. Network access to resources (in particular SQL Server) was spotty or just not working, among other things. By the time 6a came out, we'd committed to the Win2K upgrade.
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Good ol' times eh Well maybe we should learn from the past and only start the use the new OS 3+ years after it is released to give the hardware time to catch up :laugh:
harold aptroot wrote:
Good ol' times eh Well maybe we should learn from the past and only start the use the new OS 3+ years after it is released to give the hardware time to catch up
Especially if it's a Microsoft OS :laugh:
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It's the little things: death by a thousand cuts, like the changed shortcut to move one folder up in Explorer, renamed Add/remove programs in Control Panel, etc. I also hate the way it informs me that I will have to confirm actions like restricted folder move operations, and *then* pops up UAC. :wtf: You're going to show the bleeding UAC dialog, how about just showing it? Why make me click through two dialogs? :mad: If you like Vista, fine, whatever floats your boat. You chose not to install it; what are you moaning about? It's not like the Vista haters took away your Vista DVD and prevented you from installing it.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I also hate the way it informs me that I will have to confirm actions like restricted folder move operations, and *then* pops up UAC. WTF You're going to show the bleeding UAC dialog, how about just showing it? Why make me click through two dialogs? Mad
That 1 "feature" annoys me enough that I wouldn't install Vista on any machine where I have the choice.
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I cant say I have had much issues either. I do have 4GB of RAM :)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
It's the little things: death by a thousand cuts, like the changed shortcut to move one folder up in Explorer, renamed Add/remove programs in Control Panel, etc.
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I also hate the way it informs me that I will have to confirm actions like restricted folder move operations, and *then* pops up UAC. You're going to show the bleeding UAC dialog, how about just showing it? Why make me click through two dialogs?
This is the kind of moaning and groaning I mean. Like, so what?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
If you like Vista, fine, whatever floats your boat. You chose not to install it; what are you moaning about? It's not like the Vista haters took away your Vista DVD and prevented you from installing it.
Well, Vikram, I listen to everyone in an attempt to save time and avoid pitfalls, just like a professional should. I did choose not to install it because I gave too much credence to people who made statements like the following:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
also hate the way it informs me that I will have to confirm actions like restricted folder move operations, and *then* pops up UAC. You're going to show the bleeding UAC dialog, how about just showing it? Why make me click through two dialogs?
So, by your apparent recommendation, I should not listen to whiny, bad-tempered people who make statements like this? I think I'll take that advice :-D
cpkilekofp wrote:
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
No.
cpkilekofp wrote:
Like, so what?
It's a breaking change! They changed something for the sake of changing it, and it's jarring for old users. Anyway, my point was that I, and some others, have genuine issues, and we rant about them. You were free to install Vista, why are you blaming Vista haters? Sorry if I sounded harsh. :)
Cheers, Vıkram.
"You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.
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You know Vikram, I was going to sit back and wait until CG shows up, now there's the man to talk to about Vista, he hates it tons more than I do and that is saying something, but its starting to look like I should relinquish the second position to you... Either that or you're really pissed off at something and you're just taking it out on poor old Vista :D
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:laugh: You must admit that the points I make are genuine, not just "Vista sucks". I take the pains to point out what is wrong, and why it's wrong.
Cheers, Vıkram.
"You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.
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once you do 8gig you won't go back. :) I seriously miss my 8gig at work, but it is much better to spend 8k for a 32bit XP system that uses SCSI than a 64bit system that costs have as much and runs faster right?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Well duh. All high performance boxen should sound like an F15 doing a shortfield takeoff with the afterburners at redline.
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Well duh. All high performance boxen should sound like an F15 doing a shortfield takeoff with the afterburners at redline.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
There are only 8x80mm fans ina supermicro case... though I have caught snoopy flying my short rack (15U)
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I have XP set to classic and it looks like 2k :cool:
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XP with the standard theme (or is it classic?) is the dog's bollocks. :cool:
Cheers, Vıkram.
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:laugh: You must admit that the points I make are genuine, not just "Vista sucks". I take the pains to point out what is wrong, and why it's wrong.
Cheers, Vıkram.
"You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.
Hey, I'm with you. What's fundamentally wrong with Vista are items that can be thrown onto one of two piles. 1. Its incredbile how annoying the little things are and if M$ had put in just that teeny-weeny extra little effort they would have resolved all of that and made a happy camper out of everyone including CG :) 2. Its such a resource hog with the fundamental changes being more ascetic as opposed to functional. So why would they make it with such hyperbloat? IMO, that's bad, bad, baaaaad [cue in the sheep] design. Just my $0.02
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cpkilekofp wrote:
Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.
No.
cpkilekofp wrote:
Like, so what?
It's a breaking change! They changed something for the sake of changing it, and it's jarring for old users. Anyway, my point was that I, and some others, have genuine issues, and we rant about them. You were free to install Vista, why are you blaming Vista haters? Sorry if I sounded harsh. :)
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Sorry if I sounded harsh.
:) You certainly did, but that's OK.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
It's a breaking change! They changed something for the sake of changing it, and it's jarring for old users.
They didn't change it for the sake of change. I work in a building that requires you to use an ID card not only to get in, but to get out as well - it's annoying, but the building is that much more secure, as it should be (I work in a processing center for a huge number of mutual funds). Vista is considerably more secure than XP, in part due to that annoying UAC popup. XP wasn't secure, which is why I had additional firewall and access support, which is why I am used to those silly popup messages (I have been used to them since Windows 98, for the same reasons). The genuine issue is that your PC has been available as a home for 'bots; that is less likely to be the case now.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Anyway, my point was that I, and some others, have genuine issues, and we rant about them. You were free to install Vista, why are you blaming Vista haters?
Perhaps I was harsh - perhaps I should blame myself for listening. However, I was trying to save time by listening to people with experience using the platform. UAC is not a "genuine" issue, as it does not create hazards, in fact it prevents them. It's just an annoyance. Every platform has its annoyances (I refused to install XP for some time because of the registration requirement, which hundreds of users claimed required a phone call to Microsoft - by the time I did install it, registration was a simple blip of Internet activity). I may yet find other issues that are genuine (to me, at least) and if I do you and our fellow CP Lounge Lizards will certainly hear about it :)