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  • D Dan Neely

    Well duh. All high performance boxen should sound like an F15 doing a shortfield takeoff with the afterburners at redline.

    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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    El Corazon
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    There are only 8x80mm fans ina supermicro case... though I have caught snoopy flying my short rack (15U)

    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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    • L Lost User

      I have XP set to classic and it looks like 2k :cool:

      Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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      Vikram A Punathambekar
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      XP with the standard theme (or is it classic?) is the dog's bollocks. :cool:

      Cheers, Vıkram.


      "You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.

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      • V Vikram A Punathambekar

        :laugh: You must admit that the points I make are genuine, not just "Vista sucks". I take the pains to point out what is wrong, and why it's wrong.

        Cheers, Vıkram.


        "You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.

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        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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        Hey, I'm with you. What's fundamentally wrong with Vista are items that can be thrown onto one of two piles. 1. Its incredbile how annoying the little things are and if M$ had put in just that teeny-weeny extra little effort they would have resolved all of that and made a happy camper out of everyone including CG :) 2. Its such a resource hog with the fundamental changes being more ascetic as opposed to functional. So why would they make it with such hyperbloat? IMO, that's bad, bad, baaaaad [cue in the sheep] design. Just my $0.02

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        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

          cpkilekofp wrote:

          Yeah, well, they've done similar things in the last several upgrades.

          No.

          cpkilekofp wrote:

          Like, so what?

          It's a breaking change! They changed something for the sake of changing it, and it's jarring for old users. Anyway, my point was that I, and some others, have genuine issues, and we rant about them. You were free to install Vista, why are you blaming Vista haters? Sorry if I sounded harsh. :)

          Cheers, Vıkram.


          "You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.

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          cpkilekofp
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          Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

          Sorry if I sounded harsh.

          :) You certainly did, but that's OK.

          Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

          It's a breaking change! They changed something for the sake of changing it, and it's jarring for old users.

          They didn't change it for the sake of change. I work in a building that requires you to use an ID card not only to get in, but to get out as well - it's annoying, but the building is that much more secure, as it should be (I work in a processing center for a huge number of mutual funds). Vista is considerably more secure than XP, in part due to that annoying UAC popup. XP wasn't secure, which is why I had additional firewall and access support, which is why I am used to those silly popup messages (I have been used to them since Windows 98, for the same reasons). The genuine issue is that your PC has been available as a home for 'bots; that is less likely to be the case now.

          Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

          Anyway, my point was that I, and some others, have genuine issues, and we rant about them. You were free to install Vista, why are you blaming Vista haters?

          Perhaps I was harsh - perhaps I should blame myself for listening. However, I was trying to save time by listening to people with experience using the platform. UAC is not a "genuine" issue, as it does not create hazards, in fact it prevents them. It's just an annoyance. Every platform has its annoyances (I refused to install XP for some time because of the registration requirement, which hundreds of users claimed required a phone call to Microsoft - by the time I did install it, registration was a simple blip of Internet activity). I may yet find other issues that are genuine (to me, at least) and if I do you and our fellow CP Lounge Lizards will certainly hear about it :)

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          • E El Corazon

            There are only 8x80mm fans ina supermicro case... though I have caught snoopy flying my short rack (15U)

            _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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            Dan Neely
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            El Corazon wrote:

            There are only 8x80mm fans ina supermicro case...

            *wince* You need bigger cases. My planned case( Thermaltake MozartTX) for my new build has space for 10x120mm, and if you really want a single 80mm fa. Probably because if you have a PSU with a bottom (WRT a normal ATX layout) intake fan that compartment won't have any outflow.

            Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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            • D Dan Neely

              Well duh. All high performance boxen should sound like an F15 doing a shortfield takeoff with the afterburners at redline.

              Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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              Richard Jones
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              I worked on a Compaq last week that sounded like a hair dryer.X| My HP is stealthy.:cool:

              Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon

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              • C cpkilekofp

                Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                Sorry if I sounded harsh.

                :) You certainly did, but that's OK.

                Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                It's a breaking change! They changed something for the sake of changing it, and it's jarring for old users.

                They didn't change it for the sake of change. I work in a building that requires you to use an ID card not only to get in, but to get out as well - it's annoying, but the building is that much more secure, as it should be (I work in a processing center for a huge number of mutual funds). Vista is considerably more secure than XP, in part due to that annoying UAC popup. XP wasn't secure, which is why I had additional firewall and access support, which is why I am used to those silly popup messages (I have been used to them since Windows 98, for the same reasons). The genuine issue is that your PC has been available as a home for 'bots; that is less likely to be the case now.

                Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                Anyway, my point was that I, and some others, have genuine issues, and we rant about them. You were free to install Vista, why are you blaming Vista haters?

                Perhaps I was harsh - perhaps I should blame myself for listening. However, I was trying to save time by listening to people with experience using the platform. UAC is not a "genuine" issue, as it does not create hazards, in fact it prevents them. It's just an annoyance. Every platform has its annoyances (I refused to install XP for some time because of the registration requirement, which hundreds of users claimed required a phone call to Microsoft - by the time I did install it, registration was a simple blip of Internet activity). I may yet find other issues that are genuine (to me, at least) and if I do you and our fellow CP Lounge Lizards will certainly hear about it :)

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                Vikram A Punathambekar
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                cpkilekofp wrote:

                I work in a building that requires you to use an ID card not only to get in, but to get out as well - it's annoying, but the building is that much more secure

                Same here, and I agree.

                cpkilekofp wrote:

                Vista is considerably more secure than XP, in part due to that annoying UAC popup. XP wasn't secure, which is why I had additional firewall and access support, which is why I am used to those silly popup messages (I have been used to them since Windows 98, for the same reasons). The genuine issue is that your PC has been available as a home for 'bots; that is less likely to be the case now.

                None of which explains why the Up shortcut in Explorer was changed. ;P

                cpkilekofp wrote:

                UAC is not a "genuine" issue

                Read the subject line, mate. UAC is *not* my beef with Vista. On a side note, what happens when there's a fire in your building? Do people have to show their IDs and leave one by one, with a 10-second gap between one guy and the next? Or do they have overrides? Again, my apologies. I am usually mild, but I must have let it rip today - even Elaine thinks so!

                Cheers, Vıkram.


                "You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                • D Dan Neely

                  El Corazon wrote:

                  There are only 8x80mm fans ina supermicro case...

                  *wince* You need bigger cases. My planned case( Thermaltake MozartTX) for my new build has space for 10x120mm, and if you really want a single 80mm fa. Probably because if you have a PSU with a bottom (WRT a normal ATX layout) intake fan that compartment won't have any outflow.

                  Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                  El Corazon
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                  for some reason we just moved from 4U to 3U cases. I tried not to laugh at getting a nv280 into a 3U. :)

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                  • E El Corazon

                    for some reason we just moved from 4U to 3U cases. I tried not to laugh at getting a nv280 into a 3U. :)

                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                    Dan Neely
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                    Any hope of beating sanity into the PHB's heads before your SLI box cremates and triggers a halon dump... :laugh:

                    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                    • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                      cpkilekofp wrote:

                      I work in a building that requires you to use an ID card not only to get in, but to get out as well - it's annoying, but the building is that much more secure

                      Same here, and I agree.

                      cpkilekofp wrote:

                      Vista is considerably more secure than XP, in part due to that annoying UAC popup. XP wasn't secure, which is why I had additional firewall and access support, which is why I am used to those silly popup messages (I have been used to them since Windows 98, for the same reasons). The genuine issue is that your PC has been available as a home for 'bots; that is less likely to be the case now.

                      None of which explains why the Up shortcut in Explorer was changed. ;P

                      cpkilekofp wrote:

                      UAC is not a "genuine" issue

                      Read the subject line, mate. UAC is *not* my beef with Vista. On a side note, what happens when there's a fire in your building? Do people have to show their IDs and leave one by one, with a 10-second gap between one guy and the next? Or do they have overrides? Again, my apologies. I am usually mild, but I must have let it rip today - even Elaine thinks so!

                      Cheers, Vıkram.


                      "You idiot British surprise me that your generators which grew up after Mid 50s had no brain at all." - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                      Dan Neely
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                      In mine everyone has to badge in/out but they don't require doors to shut between. Motion detectors will set off an alarm if anyone tries pulling a runner. The current setup isn't quite fully installed, but we've been told trying to run the doors will trigger them locking. While that doesn't make sense on it's own based on other recent changes it appears the goal is to make the area just inside the security doors into a mantrap. Writing policies that put security above egress in an emergency, or getting EMS/Fire people inside will bring the wrath of OSHA, etc down on everyone involved; so even if there is a nontrivial delay in normal conditions it can't be enforced for emergency egress.

                      Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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