Number of holidays and impact on productivity
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jgasm wrote:
"you need to work more so you can stay healthy"
No. I didn't mean to convey that. That would rather go against the well-known saying 'All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy'. But my only concern is that whether people really make a constructive use of their holidays. Currently, a good chunk of them try seeking solace and comfort from mundane things like liquor. Also, in India, I feel a good number of holidays are like irrational. A secular country should not go for too many holidays like 'Meelad Nabi', 'Bakrid', 'Dussehra', '3 Unwarranted Holidays for Makara Sankranthi (in January)'. At least, in US, I appreciate the holidays are mostly like 'Labor Day', 'Thanksgiving Day' (for generic causes) without carried over by regional/religion-based biases. Shouldn't we try and start emulating such good things?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareWhat do you think Dasera, ID are irrational holidays. See i doubt you are not Indian are you NRI? Na Rahe Indian? we struggling for 12 holidays in year and you are telling these are unwanted Holidays? Then please convince your (Us) Govt. to reduce summer holiday and Christmas holidays! Try some times. All the Best...
shriram.gore
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What do you think Dasera, ID are irrational holidays. See i doubt you are not Indian are you NRI? Na Rahe Indian? we struggling for 12 holidays in year and you are telling these are unwanted Holidays? Then please convince your (Us) Govt. to reduce summer holiday and Christmas holidays! Try some times. All the Best...
shriram.gore
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I just felt whether the number of holidays that a state imposes in the region (in our country) should be considered significantly. From my current stay in US, when I observe that the holidays in India need to be really revised and rationalized. Most of the other countries have genuine set of holidays and a controlled number. I was just feeling down about for a few reasons: 1) Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries). 2) The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right? What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareVasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
- Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries).
Huh? So you want everyone around the world to observe little or no holidays at all so work can get done undisturbed??? Buhhahahhahaha!
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right?
You have a norrow minded view of "youth" my friend. Boozing isn't limited to youth, and not all youths booze. However, it's thier business to booze or not, not yours. You're not the Youth Bozzing Police, please move on.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
Assuming that's your opinion, I'll respect that, but will politely tell you you're nuts. I don't need to be told what to do with my days off or to call it by some stupid name like "Holi days" just to make it feel important. Constuctive is how I determine it to be and I don't need Mom or Dad telling me what they think it should be. Screw it, I'm taking the rest of the day off. Why? BECAUSE I CAN!!!! A wise person (my wife) once told me: If someone isn't dieing or physically hurt, than it's just not that important.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
- Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere
I disagree completely. I take a minimum of 4 days off a month and I haven't come close to missing a deadline in almost three years.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right?
As long as my guys are getting their stuff done on time I don't give a damn what they do when they are away from work.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive.
What exactly does that mean?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
I feel that people spend way to much time at work.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Hey Chris, are you hiring? :P
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Chris Austin wrote:
I feel that people spend way to much time at work.
I agree, many European countries have for time now recognised that overtime is counter-productive and actively discourage it. For just about any profession in Australia however (& from what I gather, the US as well), that idea is a long way from taking hold. For every programming or engineering position I've ever had or applied for in the last 15 or so years, "we expect you to put in a certain amount of overtime" - unpaid overtime at that.
T-Mac-Oz "When I'm ruler of the universe ... I'm working on it, I'm working on it. I'm just as frustrated as you are. It turns out to be a non-trivial problem." - Linus Torvalds
That's not much of a problem where I work. I've never put in more than a dozen or so hours of OT per year. On occasions when I don't leave until 5:30ish the parking lot's already 70-85% empty, and some of them undoubtedly belonged to people working 9-6 instead of 8-5. The three occasions where a minor crisis held me till 7 it was almost deserted.
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jgasm wrote:
"you need to work more so you can stay healthy"
No. I didn't mean to convey that. That would rather go against the well-known saying 'All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy'. But my only concern is that whether people really make a constructive use of their holidays. Currently, a good chunk of them try seeking solace and comfort from mundane things like liquor. Also, in India, I feel a good number of holidays are like irrational. A secular country should not go for too many holidays like 'Meelad Nabi', 'Bakrid', 'Dussehra', '3 Unwarranted Holidays for Makara Sankranthi (in January)'. At least, in US, I appreciate the holidays are mostly like 'Labor Day', 'Thanksgiving Day' (for generic causes) without carried over by regional/religion-based biases. Shouldn't we try and start emulating such good things?
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Hey Chris, are you hiring? :P
Depends, are you in Dallas and do you know python, C++ and, OpenGL?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
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Depends, are you in Dallas and do you know python, C++ and, OpenGL?
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
It was a joke, because you feel the same way I do about holidays, etc. If my people get their work done, they can juggle dead puppies on their time for all I care. However, I do know PHP, mySQL, C#, and jQuery. :)
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I just felt whether the number of holidays that a state imposes in the region (in our country) should be considered significantly. From my current stay in US, when I observe that the holidays in India need to be really revised and rationalized. Most of the other countries have genuine set of holidays and a controlled number. I was just feeling down about for a few reasons: 1) Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries). 2) The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right? What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareLooking at your profile I see that you are about 29 years old (which is about the same age as me). I really think that there will come a point when you will see that life is not about work, it's about living and experiencing new things and for a lot of us the only chance we get to do much of that is on holidays. I used to work 15 hours a day for quite a while until I realized that there are much more important things.:cool: As for "Holi days" I'm assuming that is some sort of religious reference which begs the question, what about those of us who are not religious?? Should we just keep working while everyone else enjoys there time off? Personally I don't think we have enough holidays, I think if we worked 8 hours a day 4 days a week and also had the holidays that we have we would be much more productive and motivated but, that's just me. :)
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I just felt whether the number of holidays that a state imposes in the region (in our country) should be considered significantly. From my current stay in US, when I observe that the holidays in India need to be really revised and rationalized. Most of the other countries have genuine set of holidays and a controlled number. I was just feeling down about for a few reasons: 1) Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries). 2) The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right? What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William Shakespeare -
I just felt whether the number of holidays that a state imposes in the region (in our country) should be considered significantly. From my current stay in US, when I observe that the holidays in India need to be really revised and rationalized. Most of the other countries have genuine set of holidays and a controlled number. I was just feeling down about for a few reasons: 1) Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries). 2) The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right? What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareMany teachers in the US have a 188 day work year. Most software developers have a 250 day work year. I was much less stressed as a teacher than a software developer. I think that says something about the need for time off. On the other side, I think teachers get too much time off, by a factor of 2 weeks.
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I just felt whether the number of holidays that a state imposes in the region (in our country) should be considered significantly. From my current stay in US, when I observe that the holidays in India need to be really revised and rationalized. Most of the other countries have genuine set of holidays and a controlled number. I was just feeling down about for a few reasons: 1) Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries). 2) The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right? What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareYes.... Holidays ... you never have enough of them ...
Edgar Prieto Software Engineer
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Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_in_India[^] As a secular democratic republic, I think, the state should only support holidays that is applicable to all people.
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareGiven that explanation I don't find the number of holidays excessive for India at all. The United States has 6 national holidays that I can think of, and most small towns in the United States have at least one additional local holiday (though usually held on a weekend so not be TOO disruptive to business interests). In addition to that, any country with Christians and Jews and Islamics in it are going to need to observe some form of Sabbath (a day off every week). That's just the cost of living in a multicultural society.
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jgasm wrote:
"you need to work more so you can stay healthy"
No. I didn't mean to convey that. That would rather go against the well-known saying 'All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy'. But my only concern is that whether people really make a constructive use of their holidays. Currently, a good chunk of them try seeking solace and comfort from mundane things like liquor. Also, in India, I feel a good number of holidays are like irrational. A secular country should not go for too many holidays like 'Meelad Nabi', 'Bakrid', 'Dussehra', '3 Unwarranted Holidays for Makara Sankranthi (in January)'. At least, in US, I appreciate the holidays are mostly like 'Labor Day', 'Thanksgiving Day' (for generic causes) without carried over by regional/religion-based biases. Shouldn't we try and start emulating such good things?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareVasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
But my only concern is that whether people really make a constructive use of their holidays.
Isn't a holiday meant to take a break from constructive things? Give us a break man. Evidently you're saying that productivity should be our new religion? I for one think that our work-so-much-for-productivity-sakes culture is way out of hand. I value leisure much more than work. I work so that I can afford leisure. And the most productive use of my time could be doing nothing at all. To simply be here now and not produce. Please, I beseech you, leave the concept of productivity and constructive use, out of the holiday paradigm. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! In other words Jack- how dare you say that I have to be productive when taking a break from productivity! :mad:
I've heard more said about less.
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Every non Christian in the US and here lines up for a Xmas break, and Easter, too. The meaning of the holiday has changed to people, but it's part of the culture. What's the issue ?
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You want extra holidays in the US? Work for the government. They get all sorts of days off, like Presidents' Day and Lincoln's Birthday. So there's no postal service, and many of the schools are closed, too. So then you've got day-care issues for your kids when you have to work, but the government doesn't. Canada was trying to get to a point where they had one day off a month. There's one month without a day off, and there was a "populist movement" (which was started and backed by one of the large breweries, funnily enough) to get an extra day off. They kept citing that some place in Europe gets 6 weeks of vacation a year...
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I just felt whether the number of holidays that a state imposes in the region (in our country) should be considered significantly. From my current stay in US, when I observe that the holidays in India need to be really revised and rationalized. Most of the other countries have genuine set of holidays and a controlled number. I was just feeling down about for a few reasons: 1) Too much of holidays is actually disturbing the normal plan of work, in any sphere (particularly when it involves deliverable across the geographical boundaries). 2) The youth normally, during holidays, immediately resort to boozing and other stuff which are detrimental to good health. At least if it is a work-day, then they would refrain from such right? What do you say? A day or two extended holiday set is allowed but too much of holidays is actually, I feel, is playing down on multiple fronts. I really feel, we should consider 'Holidays as 'Holi days' ' and make them constructive. How about holidays and people attitude in other places?
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespearePersonally, I don't live to work, I work to live; this is despite the fact that "retirement" for me is when they pry the input device from my cold, dead fingers :laugh: Youth is squandered on the young in every culture. Complaining about how they spend their time begs the question of who should determine how they spend their time. As an American, with three of my ancestral lines descending from people who immigrated here before our Revolution, any attempt to limit my freedom or my fellow citizens' freedom makes me want to reach for my gun. Based on my own observation, if a youth kills himself with alcohol or ruins his life from some ill-considered action while he is intoxicated, three others will see his example and sharpen up their own behavior. This is "evolution in action." As for disturbing the normal plan of work, I believe too much emphasis is placed on work in my country. Out of fifteen holidays recognized by our Federal government and most of our states, most companies offer 7 or fewer of these as paid holidays for their workers. If this limits the number of days that some will overdrink and carouse, it also limits the number of days that I can spend wholly with my family, which I value far more than I value my work. Besides, how does working for a business qualify as "holy"? Here in America, on Martin Luther King Day, it has become customary for many of us to use that day to perform service to the community of some sort, with the most visible activity being the construction of well-built homes for the very poor or some other activity that helps those at the bottom of society live at least a little bit better. Many here begin the day on Christmas and Thanksgiving Day working in soup kitchens, and on Memorial Day and Veterans Day tending the graves of our fallen soldiers or visiting those permanently injured on the field of battle. Many of those who perform these services in their 30s and 40s were drinking themselves silly on those same days in their 20s. "Their is a time for every purpose under heaven." Let's not squander more time on work. And if the holidays differ from location to location, it's simply an opportunity to build a better holiday calendar application :)
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You want extra holidays in the US? Work for the government. They get all sorts of days off, like Presidents' Day and Lincoln's Birthday. So there's no postal service, and many of the schools are closed, too. So then you've got day-care issues for your kids when you have to work, but the government doesn't. Canada was trying to get to a point where they had one day off a month. There's one month without a day off, and there was a "populist movement" (which was started and backed by one of the large breweries, funnily enough) to get an extra day off. They kept citing that some place in Europe gets 6 weeks of vacation a year...
In the US it also depends on where you work. I have 10 paid holidays. presidents day, memorial day, Independence day, labor day, vets day, thanksgiving and day after, christmas eve, christmas, newyears. Basically the federal 10 minus two useless ones (Columbus and Flag day(?)) swapped for day after thanksgiving and xmas eve.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_in_India[^] As a secular democratic republic, I think, the state should only support holidays that is applicable to all people.
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareVasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
As a secular democratic republic, I think, the state should only support holidays that is applicable to all people.
In America, Jews in particular are granted holidays on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, two of the holiest days in their religion, by most larger companies and many smaller ones. It was common at one time, but less common now, in my state of Pennsylvania for the weekend to be offset to Sunday and Monday to accomodate the different days of worship of the Society of Friends, aka the Quakers, whose religious colony this state once was. Note that these are not recognized and endorsed at the Federal level, but it is indicative that accomodations for different religions and local customs can be made.
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I wish we could also recognise that fact - when you work 11 - 12 hrs a day (no lunch breaks!) and a manager then asks whether you would work on a Saturday or a public holiday it makes my blood boil. I find it hard to believe that anyone can productively turn out QUALITY code for longer than 8-10 hours a day. Then again, maybe I am just thick :)
Charl wrote:
Then again, maybe I am just thick
No, that would be your manager.
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I think writer please make more study on holidays in India. Generally school peoples only have more holidays! Company people don't. Take todays example today is Gandhi Jayanti and Ramzan-ID. All Government people have Holiday but we are working. Every day we are working around Morning 9:00 Am to 10:00 Pm. Just count hours almost 9 hr actual working and 11 hr is in working evirenment. No one is giving us reward or overtime. About me in one extream condition i was working 36 hr continuesly Is it increase our holiday? Some times client from US required very urgent update he is not waiting for like Today there is Diwali in India? We have to compromise for Diwali. But exactly opposite in the occasion of Christmas, not a single client we can see online neither from Us nor from Europe. They are taking holiday from 24 Dec to 5 Jan every year. They are enjoying why we don't? But we are still working, working and working .... See our dream is to work continuesly to looking "ooh today i will work hard because next month i have holiday"! Still you say there is lot of holidays in India? See finally remember one thing 'We are working for someone else Dream'. Regards, Anish Bhagwat. India.
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
All Government people have Holiday but we are working.
One of the benefits of the new job I will be starting, which is a government job :-D