Is Quality of indian software development is reducing day by day?
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Sorry Harvey - apparently I voted you 1. I've changed it to the 5 I meant to vote.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Its all good :)
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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This reply, and your original post, highlight the troubles when trying to communicate with developers in India.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
When job requirements say "good communication skills", that's a secret code phrase meaning "speaks English". :)
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001modified on Thursday, October 2, 2008 8:35 AM
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Sorry Harvey - apparently I voted you 1. I've changed it to the 5 I meant to vote.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Assembling a series of sentences that neither make sense on their own or as a group does not promote good feelings about Indian communication.
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
I wont say that i am the best. I just want to know where i am?In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue. We learn English only for communicate with out side India. Any way thanks for suggestions. :)
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OK, to be as helpful as I can - indian teams in my experience told me they'd do what I said, then did something else, then disappeared when the deadline appeared and the code didn't. I inevitably ended up doing most of the work myself at the last minute.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
OK Thanks Mr. Christian Graus! This type of answers i am expecting,it is very helpful to many developers from India.
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Habit? :~ EDIT: Can anyone please explain to me why trailing spaces in posts are deleted? That ruins the smileys posted at the end. :|
Standard html stripping of whitespace. Non breaking spaces work (& nbsp ; ). :cool:
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Its all good :)
Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL
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You forgot an apostrophe in your signature. :)
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AFAIK they are okay. Don’t loose your sleep.:)
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Harvey Saayman wrote:
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You forgot an apostrophe in your signature. :)
i know ;P
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I wont say that i am the best. I just want to know where i am?In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue. We learn English only for communicate with out side India. Any way thanks for suggestions. :)
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue. We learn English only for communicate with out side India
Same here.
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AFAIK they are okay. Don’t loose your sleep.:)
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Habit? :~ EDIT: Can anyone please explain to me why trailing spaces in posts are deleted? That ruins the smileys posted at the end. :|
sk8er_boy287 wrote:
Habit?
Nope, and I know you meant this ironically. I don't tend to 1 vote - I'd rather deliver a well-crafted insult. It's much more effective, and much less limp-ass.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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I heard from my company and from my some of friends as while biding for a project you will get 7 quotation from China along with single quotation from India.Because if you wont get project it directly goes to China. No doubt China recover lot in software. But my questions are Is this due to China bids with very low rate? or quality of Indian development is reduced? or Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line? Your suggestions and opinions are inevitable... Thanks, Anish Bhagwat
Welcome to what U.S. local as experiencing. Unfortunately, there is a large amount of people that want to make money in I.T. because it is "easy" work leaving those of us that are good at it the needle in the haystack. Like any generality there are quite a few good coders all over the world in every country. The vast majority SUCK! When you combine poor language skills or a massive communications barrier (that is inclusive-or) then poor code is magnified greatly.
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I heard from my company and from my some of friends as while biding for a project you will get 7 quotation from China along with single quotation from India.Because if you wont get project it directly goes to China. No doubt China recover lot in software. But my questions are Is this due to China bids with very low rate? or quality of Indian development is reduced? or Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line? Your suggestions and opinions are inevitable... Thanks, Anish Bhagwat
Five years ago I worked on some VoIP related project and I needed from some libraries for parsing H323 protocol. The company found some paid/and expensive/ solution created in India. It just doesn’t work. The Indian guys even send us parts from the source code with the hope that we will find their own bugs!!!!! So after we review the code/don’t ask…/ we drop this solution. Soon after that I found some open source libraries created from Australians and Chinese programmers and under GNU license. They worked like charm. The difference was like between broken bicycle and a Ferrari. This is only one case, but it illustrates the problem. The quality is more important then the price.
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anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
NO didnt get any directly but as discussion and advertise from China its look.
WTF are you talking about?
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I think he's been taking English lessons from Adnan...
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I wont say that i am the best. I just want to know where i am?In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue. We learn English only for communicate with out side India. Any way thanks for suggestions. :)
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
In My case(Many Indians) English is not mother tongue
FOR my case, and many Indians, English is not MY mother tongue
anish_bhagwat80 wrote:
We learn English only for communicate with out side India
We LEARNT English only TO communicate with PEOPLE OUTSIDE India FYI correct grammer...
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I heard from my company and from my some of friends as while biding for a project you will get 7 quotation from China along with single quotation from India.Because if you wont get project it directly goes to China. No doubt China recover lot in software. But my questions are Is this due to China bids with very low rate? or quality of Indian development is reduced? or Is this due to Indian people not able to follow dead line? Your suggestions and opinions are inevitable... Thanks, Anish Bhagwat
I don't have a clue about China to speak generally. But I've worked with a Chinese person on an embedded application development project for about 4 months. I must tell that he was an absolute genius. I learned aplenty from him. Surprisingly, he spoke very good English (the accent was terrible though, one can understand it but). But, when you have to generalise, you have to take into account what the vast majority are like. This one person and a few others like him, can't balance the stupidity of others. Sadly, the same goes with India. Well, more or less the same.
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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Maybe it to have do your you with we written code being youse like wriiting question these. Plus Chinaese learned use to URGENTZ in they there code questions.
Zhat wrote:
URGENTZ
hay you or copyeng the what is we hvae copywrited in India. shat the fakup.
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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I think he's been taking English lessons from Adnan...
Adnan has a better command of the English language... Just look at how many people he manages to piss off. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Adnan has a better command of the English language... Just look at how many people he manages to piss off. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001True, except when he's angry or trying to insult someone, then he degenerates into just this sort of babel.