Are Java-based Products really trustworthy?
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Hailing from Microsoft technologies and exposed to an elevated level of user-friendliness, we normally look down on grey-technologies like Java. Today, one of the famous instant messengers from IBM pissed me off like anything. It miserably froze my PC like anything and I had no other go other than to hard boot the PC since even the three fingered salute to Windows was beyond the normal recognition. To that extent, all available memory has been gobbled up this hungry brute. :wtf: I really wonder if these folks really test their products before releasing them to market. Can't they gracefully communicate the message to the user? :mad: :mad:
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William ShakespeareVasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Hailing from Microsoft technologies and exposed to an elevated level of user-friendliness,
I am not 100% agree with you on this statement. I have seen Eclipse offering nice (and better) GUI features (and fast too) even before Visual Studio 2005 was doing the same things. In terms of user-friendliness some of the Apple developed software is far superior than Microsoft's (my personal opinion).
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
we normally look down on grey-technologies like Java.
Could you please tell me what you meant by 'grey-technologies'? No matter whatever tools/technologies you use, a badly developed application/tool is bad. Nothing more nothing less. I am not supporting Java or Microsoft. As someone else pointed out (about VB programmers), if a person uses only one language for everything, you can see these problems. I think for a company like IBM, it may be cost effective to develop in one language (Java) rather than developing in native languages like C/C++.But if another company chooses .NET for similar reason, they may also end with same kind of issues -Madhu
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I would add that good products made for Eclipse are excellent. Aptana is one of them. Unless I am mistaken, I is written entirely in Java. Pierre Boucher 'Bien souvent on se rend coupable en négligeant d'agir, et non pas seulement en agissant.' - Marc Aurèle, empereur et philosophe romain.
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How about openoffice? [EDIT]I see that only parts of it are java based. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Java_and_OpenOffice.org#OpenOffice.org_Base[^] [/EDIT]
John
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I thought about that because when I build it on gentoo linux, I know a good bit of time is spent compiling the java part. I have never looked at the source though. Perhaps the reason why it looks this way is that I use distributed building with gcc and I doubt the java compile is doing that.
John
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How about openoffice? [EDIT]I see that only parts of it are java based. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Java_and_OpenOffice.org#OpenOffice.org_Base[^] [/EDIT]
John
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I still think those people got paid, or maybe Mojave is actually Ubuntu. :rolleyes: Vista never got me saying "it works", no matter how much I wanted it to work. :doh:
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Someone voted:
1.00/5 (1 vote)
But it doesn't change the fact that eclipse is slow and consumes all the memoty it can find ;P
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I agree: no feature makes code good by itself. You fight memory leaks in Java and .NET alike, thread synchronization, etc. I should have added that
usingconstruct in C# is something far better than Java's alternative of usingfinallyblocks - but, who knows, as you said "too many people" might just ignore both of these options But still, an average Java desktop application would fiind it hard to cope with large data... :|dmitri_sps wrote:
I should have added that using construct in C# is something far better than Java's alternative of using finally blocks
The using construct is a bit different than the try/catch/finally construct, and C# actually does have a try/catch/finally construct as well. The difference is that using will ensure clean-up of resources even when an exception is encountered, it will take no action to handle the exception other than clean up the resources (close files, close database connection, etc).
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Someone voted:
1.00/5 (1 vote)
But it doesn't change the fact that eclipse is slow and consumes all the memoty it can find ;P
Precisely. To compare it to a steaming pile of .... would be perhaps unfair, though to say that eclipse is a nice piece of work worth having is pushing the friendship a bit too far. Linux or Windows, Eclipse is just plain slooooooooow. Shame on you Adobe for adopting it as the IDE for Flex - closing and restarting the whole app because I change active project. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Shog9 wrote:
There are good Java-based desktop products.
Really? Which ones? I heard IntelliJ was good, but haven't actually seen any good Java desktop product.
What about Eclipse? Yes, I know you're a non-IDE person. I've not used it but people say it's good. However, is it all written in Java?
Kevin
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Vista works for me. I've got it running on 2 laptops and a desktop. No real issues (of course, the hardware is all 2+Ghz Core-2 with 4G memory! :-\ ).
Mine is AMD Dual Core 6000+ (that's 3 GHz per core), and I've got SLI configured. I've got no problems running it, but it just doesn't work the way I want it to. It's a piece of crap! ATM, I like Ubuntu more. :rolleyes: Waiting for Windows 7 to make me say "it works" though...
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Hailing from Microsoft technologies and exposed to an elevated level of user-friendliness, we normally look down on grey-technologies like Java. Today, one of the famous instant messengers from IBM pissed me off like anything. It miserably froze my PC like anything and I had no other go other than to hard boot the PC since even the three fingered salute to Windows was beyond the normal recognition. To that extent, all available memory has been gobbled up this hungry brute. :wtf: I really wonder if these folks really test their products before releasing them to market. Can't they gracefully communicate the message to the user? :mad: :mad:
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All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts... --William Shakespeare -
dmitri_sps wrote:
I should have added that using construct in C# is something far better than Java's alternative of using finally blocks
The using construct is a bit different than the try/catch/finally construct, and C# actually does have a try/catch/finally construct as well. The difference is that using will ensure clean-up of resources even when an exception is encountered, it will take no action to handle the exception other than clean up the resources (close files, close database connection, etc).
Thanks for a lesson, and I should point out that
using(x) { /* code */ }
is equivalent to
try { /* code */ } finally { x.Dispose(); }
with added convenience of having
xdeclared withinusingdeclaration, like inusing(Stream x = ...} { ... }
My point simply was that
usingis more convinient thantry-finallyconstruct, so there is a greater chance that people will use it. It is possible to do without any of these, but then resources will be cleaned up only in finalization during garbage collection, so there are good reasons to do this programmatically in your code; and C# facilitates such approach by giving more convinient construct:using. -
What about Eclipse? Yes, I know you're a non-IDE person. I've not used it but people say it's good. However, is it all written in Java?
Kevin
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I don't have a reason to use it right now but I will bear it in mind if I get some real Java or Python work in the future.
Kevin
