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Are Java-based Products really trustworthy?

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  • L Lost User

    I still think those people got paid, or maybe Mojave is actually Ubuntu. :rolleyes: Vista never got me saying "it works", no matter how much I wanted it to work. :doh:

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    Owen37
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    Vista works for me. I've got it running on 2 laptops and a desktop. No real issues (of course, the hardware is all 2+Ghz Core-2 with 4G memory! :-\ ).

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    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

      ed welch wrote:

      eclipse

      Slow and a memory hog.

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      Nemanja Trifunovic
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      Someone voted:

      1.00/5 (1 vote)

      But it doesn't change the fact that eclipse is slow and consumes all the memoty it can find ;P

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      • D dmitri_sps

        I agree: no feature makes code good by itself. You fight memory leaks in Java and .NET alike, thread synchronization, etc. I should have added that using construct in C# is something far better than Java's alternative of using finally blocks - but, who knows, as you said "too many people" might just ignore both of these options But still, an average Java desktop application would fiind it hard to cope with large data... :|

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        Dave Buhl
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        dmitri_sps wrote:

        I should have added that using construct in C# is something far better than Java's alternative of using finally blocks

        The using construct is a bit different than the try/catch/finally construct, and C# actually does have a try/catch/finally construct as well. The difference is that using will ensure clean-up of resources even when an exception is encountered, it will take no action to handle the exception other than clean up the resources (close files, close database connection, etc).

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          Someone voted:

          1.00/5 (1 vote)

          But it doesn't change the fact that eclipse is slow and consumes all the memoty it can find ;P

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          enhzflep
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          Precisely. To compare it to a steaming pile of .... would be perhaps unfair, though to say that eclipse is a nice piece of work worth having is pushing the friendship a bit too far. Linux or Windows, Eclipse is just plain slooooooooow. Shame on you Adobe for adopting it as the IDE for Flex - closing and restarting the whole app because I change active project. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

            Shog9 wrote:

            There are good Java-based desktop products.

            Really? Which ones? I heard IntelliJ was good, but haven't actually seen any good Java desktop product.

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            Kevin McFarlane
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            What about Eclipse? Yes, I know you're a non-IDE person. I've not used it but people say it's good. However, is it all written in Java?

            Kevin

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            • O Owen37

              Vista works for me. I've got it running on 2 laptops and a desktop. No real issues (of course, the hardware is all 2+Ghz Core-2 with 4G memory! :-\ ).

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              Lost User
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              Mine is AMD Dual Core 6000+ (that's 3 GHz per core), and I've got SLI configured. I've got no problems running it, but it just doesn't work the way I want it to. It's a piece of crap! ATM, I like Ubuntu more. :rolleyes: Waiting for Windows 7 to make me say "it works" though...

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              • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                Hailing from Microsoft technologies and exposed to an elevated level of user-friendliness, we normally look down on grey-technologies like Java. Today, one of the famous instant messengers from IBM pissed me off like anything. It miserably froze my PC like anything and I had no other go other than to hard boot the PC since even the three fingered salute to Windows was beyond the normal recognition. To that extent, all available memory has been gobbled up this hungry brute. :wtf: I really wonder if these folks really test their products before releasing them to market. Can't they gracefully communicate the message to the user? :mad: :mad:

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                raicuandi
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                Azureus/Vuze is the best BitTorrent client I ever used, and its made in Java. Other than that, I can't name any other Java program that doesn't stink/is ridiculous. (no wordwrap in NetBeans?! Even notepad has that!)

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                • D Dave Buhl

                  dmitri_sps wrote:

                  I should have added that using construct in C# is something far better than Java's alternative of using finally blocks

                  The using construct is a bit different than the try/catch/finally construct, and C# actually does have a try/catch/finally construct as well. The difference is that using will ensure clean-up of resources even when an exception is encountered, it will take no action to handle the exception other than clean up the resources (close files, close database connection, etc).

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                  Thanks for a lesson, and I should point out that

                  using(x) { /* code */ }

                  is equivalent to

                  try { /* code */ } finally { x.Dispose(); }

                  with added convenience of having x declared within using declaration, like in

                  using(Stream x = ...} { ... }

                  My point simply was that using is more convinient than try-finally construct, so there is a greater chance that people will use it. It is possible to do without any of these, but then resources will be cleaned up only in finalization during garbage collection, so there are good reasons to do this programmatically in your code; and C# facilitates such approach by giving more convinient construct: using.

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                  • K Kevin McFarlane

                    What about Eclipse? Yes, I know you're a non-IDE person. I've not used it but people say it's good. However, is it all written in Java?

                    Kevin

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                    super_ttd
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                    yes ! it's open source if you mind looking at it.


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                      yes ! it's open source if you mind looking at it.


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                      Kevin McFarlane
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                      I don't have a reason to use it right now but I will bear it in mind if I get some real Java or Python work in the future.

                      Kevin

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