This is the reason why people need heavy machines to develop software
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WillemM wrote:
I was stunned by the system requirements: - 1.5 P4 processor (Core 2 duo recommend) - 1GB of memory (4GB recommend)
A machine with these requirements can be had for less than $600US. I know because I have built 5 of these recently for the developers on a new project. Case: $100 Motherboard: $130 CPU: $100 750 GB HD: $105 4GB PC6400 DDR2 $85 Keyboard + mouse $30 DVD Writer $30
John
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Shog9 wrote:
Any time saved by the refactoring tools was quickly lost waiting for VS to catch up to my typing.
...freakish Ursain Bolt like typing speed?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Why would you even need Resharper?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Why would you even need Resharper?
Maybe his knives are getting a bit blunt.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Why would you even need Resharper?
Maybe his knives are getting a bit blunt.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Does that mean he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer? (Sorry, I couldn't resist...) :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
See, if i'd watched the Olympics instead of fighting with VS, i'd know what you were talking about... :-\
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
See, if i'd watched the Olympics instead of fighting with VS, i'd know what you were talking about... :-\
I'd like to report that I'm imbibing high quality alcohol I could recommend to you, but the Amsterdam Mariner Premium Lager[^] is pretty generic, though the Bundy Rum OP (57.7% alcohol (can't get a link to that one, fancy arse website and all)) is really good but probably not available over there. So think of this post as rambling and then get yourself something quality to drink and then post about it here so I can see if can get it over here for my 40th in 6 weeks time.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Does that mean he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer? (Sorry, I couldn't resist...) :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Does that mean he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer?
I recckon my old fella has a sharper edge than old what's his names mind.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Today I discovered something really dissappointing. Jetbrains has this great product: Resharper. I have tried the trial version a while back and was surprised how well it works. Now my boss is willing to pay for a license, so I looked the tool up again on their website. I was stunned by the system requirements: - 1.5 P4 processor (Core 2 duo recommend) - 1GB of memory (4GB recommend) This is exactly the reason why we need these big machines for our work. These requirements can be called silly to say the least. I am not willing to sacrifice that much performance for a product like this. I have a machine that is running a core 2 duo 2.66Ghz (1333FSB) with 4GB of memory. The machine is used not only for visual studio, but I run a virtual machine on it too, to test stuff out in different operating systems. I'm pretty sure that this tool is going to eat away too much memory to keep the whole thing running smoothly. I think I'll skip this one and go for devexpress instead.
WM. My blog
A company with any kind of smarts will state requirements that are typical for people using their software in conjunction with other typical software being run at the same time. It avoids support calls and PO'd customers. So, to me their specs describe a minimum development machine, not the requirements for their software only. Cheers, Drew.
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A company with any kind of smarts will state requirements that are typical for people using their software in conjunction with other typical software being run at the same time. It avoids support calls and PO'd customers. So, to me their specs describe a minimum development machine, not the requirements for their software only. Cheers, Drew.
Unfortunately the specs as stated are what we have found are the minimum needed just for resharper and VS 2008. Memory is cheap, though, and developer time expensive.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Why would you even need Resharper?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Heh, I'm just as lazy as the next developer. It should make me more productive, at least thats what they are saying. That statement holds true when you look at the nice refactoring tricks they have. Otherwise sometimes, change, compile, fix, compile, fix, etc is the only way to get a component refactored. Other than that, I think I could work just fine without it and deliver the same quality.
WM. My blog
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WillemM wrote:
These requirements can be called silly to say the least.
Agreed. Especially for those of us who habitually have 3-4 instances of VS open at a time. I've tried Resharper demos, as well as one other JetBrains product, and can vouch for their ability to bog down a system. Any time saved by the refactoring tools was quickly lost waiting for VS to catch up to my typing.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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A company with any kind of smarts will state requirements that are typical for people using their software in conjunction with other typical software being run at the same time. It avoids support calls and PO'd customers. So, to me their specs describe a minimum development machine, not the requirements for their software only. Cheers, Drew.
Drew Stainton wrote:
a minimum development machine
..which is useless, off course. There are lots o' variations in "minimal requirements for development". What is a "typical" dev machine these days? It would be smarter to use the specs required for Resharper itself, instead of some vague reference-machine. That would at least give me a hint on the resource-impact on my current machine. Without other "typical" software being run at the same time off course.
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Every six months $600US? No thanks? Software that caches half a GB in memory is inefficient, and I refuse to upgrade just to accommodate the laziness in programming. Is Resharper really that much more complex than the AmigaDOS?
For us it is about every 3 years. And each time the cost of the upgrade goes down. I assume 3 years from now a computer with 4 times the power of this would cost $400.
John
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Today I discovered something really dissappointing. Jetbrains has this great product: Resharper. I have tried the trial version a while back and was surprised how well it works. Now my boss is willing to pay for a license, so I looked the tool up again on their website. I was stunned by the system requirements: - 1.5 P4 processor (Core 2 duo recommend) - 1GB of memory (4GB recommend) This is exactly the reason why we need these big machines for our work. These requirements can be called silly to say the least. I am not willing to sacrifice that much performance for a product like this. I have a machine that is running a core 2 duo 2.66Ghz (1333FSB) with 4GB of memory. The machine is used not only for visual studio, but I run a virtual machine on it too, to test stuff out in different operating systems. I'm pretty sure that this tool is going to eat away too much memory to keep the whole thing running smoothly. I think I'll skip this one and go for devexpress instead.
WM. My blog
You should try DevExpress Refactor Pro. It is much better, doesn't consume as much memory, and has a fantastic way of showing you what its going to do without obscuring your code with unwieldy dialog boxes.
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