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      Get a couple of nice monitors (say 22") to go with the laptop, the increased workspace will boost productivity.

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        Took several of us probably over 2 hours in meetings, gathering performance statistics etc just to get an upgrade from 1 GB to 2 GB RAM - trying to justify it cost more than the memory itself. Thing is now we're all just waiting for the 5400 rpm single hard disks to catch up the whole time, but don't really fancy a repeat of the above :(

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          There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free. Hourly is easy and can be done yourself. Any hourly developer is perfectly justified in requesting a new machine for increased productivity. However, once on contract I recommended that my three-year old laptop be replaced with a newer model and was told to shut-up, that I was hourly, and they didn't care how long it took there was no budget for equipment but infinite budget for hours.

          Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
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            There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free. Hourly is easy and can be done yourself. Any hourly developer is perfectly justified in requesting a new machine for increased productivity. However, once on contract I recommended that my three-year old laptop be replaced with a newer model and was told to shut-up, that I was hourly, and they didn't care how long it took there was no budget for equipment but infinite budget for hours.

            Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
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            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

            There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free

            Huh?

            cheers, Chris Maunder

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              There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free. Hourly is easy and can be done yourself. Any hourly developer is perfectly justified in requesting a new machine for increased productivity. However, once on contract I recommended that my three-year old laptop be replaced with a newer model and was told to shut-up, that I was hourly, and they didn't care how long it took there was no budget for equipment but infinite budget for hours.

              Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
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              Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

              infinite budget for hours

              Huh?

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                Metrics? What's wrong with good old fashioned demands and ultimatums?

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                  There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free. Hourly is easy and can be done yourself. Any hourly developer is perfectly justified in requesting a new machine for increased productivity. However, once on contract I recommended that my three-year old laptop be replaced with a newer model and was told to shut-up, that I was hourly, and they didn't care how long it took there was no budget for equipment but infinite budget for hours.

                  Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                  Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
                  Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                  Then don't work overtime?

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                    There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free

                    Huh?

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

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                    In general a company from the perspective of management usually sees salaried labor as slave labor on the backside of 40 hours per week. Thus it is very hard to justify time savings when they can just make a "head-count" work extra to finish tasks as assigned. This usually usually carefully crafted into the statement of work, never making a reference to overtime, however, requiring that all tasks be completed by the deadline. Which is, of course, an implicit statement that says you must work overtime to complete tasks as assigned regardless of whose fault the unproductivity lies. Now an honest and ethical employer will look at my statement as if I am crazy. But the sad reality is that most employers will take full-advantage of employees that let them. Which is why I prefer hourly. Not only can I take a guilt free long lunch but I never have to worry about that call at 9PM on Friday night or that unexpected working weekend.

                    Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
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                      Paul Brower wrote:

                      where would you go to get those metrics?

                      Clearly, as recent Gartner Group studies have shown, employees receiving a top of the line laptop, generally in the $5000 range, usually show a 124% performance improvement within 2-3 business days. Employees receiving a $8000 or better laptop, along with a second 30" monitor, tend to see a 237% performance improvement, usually within 4-6 working days. Employees receiving a $3000 or better laptop, and a $5000 or better lap dance(s) have been known to work without stop for 3 days. Gartner analyst Jenna Jameson strongly recommends that managers considering ways to improve their employees performance look into the aforementioned upgrades. Gartner analyst Jameson also stated that Gartner is predicting that electronic mail (what Gartner is terming "e-mail" for short) will be the most productive tool in the enterprise for 2009.

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                        Metrics? What's wrong with good old fashioned demands and ultimatums?

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                        don't leave out tantrums...

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                          Then don't work overtime?

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                          I don't unless it is compensated.

                          Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
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                            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                            There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free

                            Huh?

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

                            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                            That's not an issue for us. Our company EXPECTS that we do not put in more than about 45 hours/week. It's part of our culture.

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                              There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free. Hourly is easy and can be done yourself. Any hourly developer is perfectly justified in requesting a new machine for increased productivity. However, once on contract I recommended that my three-year old laptop be replaced with a newer model and was told to shut-up, that I was hourly, and they didn't care how long it took there was no budget for equipment but infinite budget for hours.

                              Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                              Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
                              Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                              Stuart Dootson
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                              Depends where you are - I'm salaried, but the company I work for charges internally for our time on an hourly basis - the hourly rate includes salary + facilities (heating, lighting, electricity etc). We have no trouble using that hourly rate for capital outlay justifications. Guess it all depends how enlightened your management are.

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                                There is no justification for new equipment for Salaried labor as companies see any extra time you spend as free. Hourly is easy and can be done yourself. Any hourly developer is perfectly justified in requesting a new machine for increased productivity. However, once on contract I recommended that my three-year old laptop be replaced with a newer model and was told to shut-up, that I was hourly, and they didn't care how long it took there was no budget for equipment but infinite budget for hours.

                                Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                                Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
                                Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                                WTF? Having spent the last several years as both Salaried AND Management in several different organizations I can assure you not all employers see it this way. Infact, I've seen just the opposite where the employees are given newer/upgraded equipment and software to continue to do thier jobs better REGARDLESS of salary or hourly status. Cost effect all employees, not just salaried or hourly. But that's been my expierence, just as I assume that your basing the above statement your expierence.

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                                  In general a company from the perspective of management usually sees salaried labor as slave labor on the backside of 40 hours per week. Thus it is very hard to justify time savings when they can just make a "head-count" work extra to finish tasks as assigned. This usually usually carefully crafted into the statement of work, never making a reference to overtime, however, requiring that all tasks be completed by the deadline. Which is, of course, an implicit statement that says you must work overtime to complete tasks as assigned regardless of whose fault the unproductivity lies. Now an honest and ethical employer will look at my statement as if I am crazy. But the sad reality is that most employers will take full-advantage of employees that let them. Which is why I prefer hourly. Not only can I take a guilt free long lunch but I never have to worry about that call at 9PM on Friday night or that unexpected working weekend.

                                  Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                                  Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
                                  Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                                  cpkilekofp
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                                  LOL this is why I sanity-check during the interview: "What was your longest project in the lst year?" "How much overtime did YOU work in the last week/month/year?", etc. Though, truth, I won't be changing jobs soon. I nearly did, but my unconscious rebelled suddenly, and I realized I was walking into a death trap, especially in comparison with what I do in my current position (I'm salaried, but overtime is truly rare).

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