Something good to see
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maybe you should take a trip to the local food bank where the "poor" can get free foodstuff. Check out the parking lot and see what they're driving. And go inside and see what they're wearing, and tell me that all of them are "hurting". I have done so and not everyone I see is "hurting".
John P.
jparken wrote:
I have done so and not everyone I see is "hurting".
From your phrasing, can I assume that some must be? My kids and I used to spend Thanksgiving mornings delivering Turkey dinners to shut-ins. They were hurting
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I'm still waiting, because, quite frankly, I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.
oilFactotum wrote:
I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit? And what do you imagine that response would prove?
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Even within your own party
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination. I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party.
Yes, but they did not nominate hillary, so clearly, they are sexist...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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All I know is that it is a damn good thing for you that Barack is black. No white guy that far to the left would have ever made it this far. Otherwise, oily, you would have been president a long time ago.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Even within your own party
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination. I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party.
oilFactotum wrote:
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination.
Logcally that does not follow. Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary", that would be a different matter. But that would have taken some of the spin off, and spin was your whole purpose wasn't it? For somebody who claims to dislike Fox News, you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook.
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This is what you are whining about? Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is? Now slate is the Democratic party? Sorry I'm not buying into Stan's(and now your) fantasy of a 'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party.
oilFactotum wrote:
'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party
Not so much an organ, as a tool. By all means, keep wearing your blinders.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination.
Logcally that does not follow. Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary", that would be a different matter. But that would have taken some of the spin off, and spin was your whole purpose wasn't it? For somebody who claims to dislike Fox News, you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook
ROFL. He does doedsn't he.? I'll never read another one of Oily's posts without thinking of dweebish Alan reading it in his effete voice.
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BoneSoft wrote:
you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook
ROFL. He does doedsn't he.? I'll never read another one of Oily's posts without thinking of dweebish Alan reading it in his effete voice.
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Hannity and Colmes both do the same thing, try to get people to concede on some silly statement that they think will validate their whole premise. Oily to a T.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Apparently not. Obama got the nomination.
Logcally that does not follow. Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary", that would be a different matter. But that would have taken some of the spin off, and spin was your whole purpose wasn't it? For somebody who claims to dislike Fox News, you sure do stick to the Hannity & Colmes playbook.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Logcally that does not follow.
Well, yes it does. You appear to be incapable of following this conversation into which you have chosen to insert yourself. Go back to the top[^]
BoneSoft wrote:
Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary",
And why would I have said that? We were talking about anti-muslim bigotry, not racism against blacks. Besides that, it's obvious that the crypto-muslim falsehood did not take root in the Democratic party, this is a narrative of the right - and McCain plays into it.
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oilFactotum wrote:
'leftist' media as an organ of the Democratic party
Not so much an organ, as a tool. By all means, keep wearing your blinders.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Not so much an organ, as a tool.
By all means, continue to live in your fantasy world, and whine about how victimized the poor conservative are.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Not that Obama is playing the race card, but that some pundit is?
Sounds like blaiming McCain for what somebody in a crowd yells, huh.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Sounds like blaiming McCain for what somebody in a crowd yells, huh.
No, not at all. I don't see the two as comparable. Rather that elaborate as to why, I'll let you jump to some more false conclusions - you're so good at that.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Logcally that does not follow.
Well, yes it does. You appear to be incapable of following this conversation into which you have chosen to insert yourself. Go back to the top[^]
BoneSoft wrote:
Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards black people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary",
And why would I have said that? We were talking about anti-muslim bigotry, not racism against blacks. Besides that, it's obvious that the crypto-muslim falsehood did not take root in the Democratic party, this is a narrative of the right - and McCain plays into it.
oilFactotum wrote:
Well, yes it does.
Well, no it does not. Now you're just being obtuse.
oilFactotum wrote:
You appear to be incapable of... blah blah blah
Ad hominem, ad nauseum.
oilFactotum wrote:
We were talking about anti-muslim bigotry
Ah right, forgive me... [correction] Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards muslim people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary" [/correction] Statement still stands. But by all means, continue with your original ad absurdum, or renew your ad hominem if you must.
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oilFactotum wrote:
I see that you are not disputing that anti-muslim bigotry is a problem within the Repbublican party
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit? And what do you imagine that response would prove?
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BoneSoft wrote:
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit?
I was making the point that he didn't respond directly to my previous post. Instead he simply accused the other side of the same problem. That form of attack response automatically concedes that the original point is valid.
BoneSoft wrote:
And what do you imagine that response would prove?
Prove? Don't know what you mean by that.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Well, yes it does.
Well, no it does not. Now you're just being obtuse.
oilFactotum wrote:
You appear to be incapable of... blah blah blah
Ad hominem, ad nauseum.
oilFactotum wrote:
We were talking about anti-muslim bigotry
Ah right, forgive me... [correction] Now if you had said "Apparently less than 50% of the party is not bigoted towards muslim people specifically, or at least not bigoted enough to outweigh their dislike for Hillary" [/correction] Statement still stands. But by all means, continue with your original ad absurdum, or renew your ad hominem if you must.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Well, no it does not.
You have yet to actually support that there is anything illogical. The 'Apparently not' statement was not said in a vacuum.
BoneSoft wrote:
[correction]
I have already responded to your correction in the previous post. Simply restating yourself advances nothing.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Exactly what response did you expect that to elicit?
I was making the point that he didn't respond directly to my previous post. Instead he simply accused the other side of the same problem. That form of attack response automatically concedes that the original point is valid.
BoneSoft wrote:
And what do you imagine that response would prove?
Prove? Don't know what you mean by that.
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:confused: That makes no sense.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Obama does well partly because every speach includes "I know it's tough, people are hurting..."
Yeah McCain seems to think he can compete... But then again, he basically was a Democrat up until the moment he decided to run for president. Like I said, Dems have used that very successfully, and McCain obviously thinks he can too.
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BoneSoft wrote:
then they turn off their satellite dish big screen plasma TV, hop in one of their SUVs and leave their house to go out to eat.
You need to get out more, my friend. There are a whole bunch of people out there, some of them lilly-white, who are hurting. I am not saying that Obama has the answer to anyone's problems (or that McCain does) but I am quite sure that there are a lot of working poor that don't drive SUVs and don't have plasma TVs.
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Sure, the plasma TV was an embelishment. But come on, we've been to third world countries, there are damn few people in America that are hurting. And most of those that are, have been for longer than the current mess. The point is most people don't have near as much to bitch about as they do bitch about, and playing to that helps politicians.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Obama does well partly because every speach includes "I know it's tough, people are hurting..."
Nope. McCain is definitely not a Democrat. I suspect that he is not representative of what's left of the Republican party - even though he tries mightily to pander to them.
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I just turned 63, and for as long as I can remember, people (the electorate) have been believing the crap that spews from the mouths of politicians. How people can't see that the pols are buying their votes with their (the people) money (taxes) to me is incredible. And 90% of the time, the pols don't make good on their promises, and never get called on it. We let these leaches take the money from the Social Security Trust Fund to put it in the General Fund and spend it buying more votes. And then we are astounded that Social Security is going broke and no one has the guts to even try and fix it. And Ted Kennedy, of all people, tries to be the "champion" of Social Security, even though he's never so much as paid a dime into SS!! Like every government worker, they are too good to have SS as a retirement vehicle! In short people have a memory span of about 30 seconds, and vote one of two ways --- popularity or with their wallets, based on what direction the economy has taken. I fear our nation cannot last much longer with trillions of debt piling up. Some day those IOUs are going to be coming due ...
John P.
You're absolutely right. Congress should be given half of the money it currently gets and not be allowed to spend a penny that they don't already have. They need to clean up their mess, and we need a way to make them. Social Security... I suppose it was necessary when it was created. But what a horrible idea, I can't believe they never thought about the possibility virtual certainty that there would be more people in the future. We need a way to fund it for those that are currently and near getting it. Then it needs to go away. Whatever happened to Bush's nationalized retirement accounts idea? I could deal with the government soaking me for thousands every year against my will if there was a chance in hell I'd get it back some day. As is, it pisses me off every time I get a check stub. I wouldn't mind being taxed a reasonable amount (which would certainly be less than currently) if it were going for things this country needs and if it were being managed responsibly. But right now none of those are happening. I feel bad for those of you who are close to retirement age, many who won't be able to retire. But unless we get things under control, I'm affraid those retiring in 10 years will be even worse off. And I'll never see a dime of Social Security.
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