Arrogance
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
How do you deal with such people?
I am one of such people. And in my experience, buying me a pitcher of good beer works pretty well... :-\
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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You wait until you are alone with him and then you punch him in a kidney. When he complains, you dismiss his complain saying it´s just a man´s joke. Works like a champ! :laugh:
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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Just ignoring them is pretty much what I do.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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Actually my biggest complaint is trying to work with consultants who think they know it all and don't have a clue as to the inner workings of the business constraints, even if they are whiz-bang at their specialty. It usually only takes a few minutes to figure out which consultants actually know what's going on and why. They get my attention, the others don't.
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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Find out what they are afraid of. Arrogance is a shield used to cover ignorance and insecurity.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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What i usually do is to work with them and let them be the one to explain to me whats happening from there side of the view. Sometimes giving them half of the responsibility of what ill be doing as a consultant.
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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I usually ignore myself as well :D
Todd Smith
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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As a programmer, I frequently work with teams run by an arrogant PMP[^] who refuses to listen to his programmers in regards to technologies to be used and realistic dead lines. My usual approach is to ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to thier PMP portfolio manager is just asking for trouble...
MrPlankton
(bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."
(good guy)"Which is where?"
(bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
Dean Koontz, The Good Guymodified on Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:07 AM
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
How do you deal with such people?
I am one of such people. And in my experience, buying me a pitcher of good beer works pretty well... :-\
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
buying me a pitcher of good beer works pretty well... Shucks
I am not allowed to give gifts over $20... Is the pitcher $20 or less? ;P
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Shog9 wrote:
buying me a pitcher of good beer works pretty well... Shucks
I am not allowed to give gifts over $20... Is the pitcher $20 or less? ;P
Don't do it, El! I've been out drinking with Shog and it's wayyyy more than $20!
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
How do you deal with such people?
each is treated differently. I do try to find a way to relate to them, assuming there is not a complete dichotomy of opinions. This does happen, and has happened, and will most likely happen again. I actually ignore most of the complete opposites. In some ways I have my arrogance (I know, I know, John C just sprayed the screen in surprise). All programmers have their opinions they move slowly away from. However, if you meet me halfway, I can be very reasonable. If you at least listen to my opinion I can give in or wait. However, you challenge me, or insult me, or otherwise set up a battle against me.... I don't go without a fight. There was a graphics group, much larger than ours, 12 programmers rather than our 2 at that time. Because of their numbers, they considered themselves more important, but wanted me shut down because I produced results, they produced papers saying the technology was not ready. They started a war against my group to shut me down and get me removed. The battle was significant that echoes of it linger in local groups such as the control room of our site. However, they were all transferred. I do produce results, so as long as you do, we'll be fine. If you want me to stop producing results, hold on to your hat, 'cause I'll give you a wild ride.
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Actually my biggest complaint is trying to work with consultants who think they know it all and don't have a clue as to the inner workings of the business constraints, even if they are whiz-bang at their specialty. It usually only takes a few minutes to figure out which consultants actually know what's going on and why. They get my attention, the others don't.
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
I run up against this all the time - from the other side, I may know what is the right way to do something, I may know the solution that should be right but - it does not meet the business requirement. Learning when to shut up and accept that the business actually knows what they need can be very difficult.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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There is a good chance that they will be able to give some useful input,so if you can give them some attention you may: 1 - get the useful information. 2 - build some trust with them which could be very valuable. Their arrogance may be a shield or a way of communication that they have not yet realised is ineffective. What really counts is getting at the information they are trying to communicate, and helping them to communicate the information by listening to them and not ignoring them - most other people probably ignore them and giving them that little bit of attention could make all the difference to your business relationship with them.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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You should try to convince them to work your way... your job is part of knowledge on the topic you are a consultant (I guess IT :rolleyes: ) and part of knowledge on psychology in order to be able to make your people to behave the way you want... In your job, letting one programmer alone doing what he/she wants means loosing a couple of hands to work... The hardest part I guess is to convince people to work the way you want coming from outside of the company... PS: If you fail convincing him/her, kill him/her and cut him/her in small pieces and place those pieces into the flowerpots, at lest the flowers will grow well... My two cents...
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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I use a fixed "you're talking crap and you know it" smile and a large rubber hammer. A hint of gentle sarcasm doesn't go amiss either.
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Shog9 wrote:
buying me a pitcher of good beer works pretty well... Shucks
I am not allowed to give gifts over $20... Is the pitcher $20 or less? ;P
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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El Corazon wrote:
Is the pitcher $20 or less?
They start out that way... ;)
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
They start out that way... Wink
no one ever said how many times you can have $20 or less... ;)
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As a consultant, I frequently work with teams where at least one person is arrogant and refuses to listen to anyone else. My usual approach is to just ignore them and work around them. I have learned that going to their manager is just asking for trouble. I have seen El Corazon talk about people like this. How do you deal with such people?
Best wishes, Hans
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Having often been accused of arrogance I can tell you how others handle me. They ignore me, hoping I'll go away, then proceed to do whatever they're doing without my input. Sometimes they ask for my advice, which I provide freely, then they again proceed to do it their way. After the fact, when the job is FUBAR, they come back to me, and I fix it or do it over the way it obviously should have been done.
"I'm not Arrogant! Arrogance is a fault, and I haven't any."