What would you do in this situation?
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Sahir Shah wrote:
helping the poor isn't essentially a bad thing. :
No one said it was.
Sahir Shah wrote:
"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me"
Yes, but Jesus' concern was for the rich man's soul, not the poor man's worldly affairs. And Jesus never said - give all your money to the government so that the government can help the poor. Christians do not need lectures in charity by the way. We are far more generous than muslims are.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Christians do not need lectures in charity by the way. We are far more generous than muslims are.
I didn't get that. You are a muslim ? You seem to be a bad one then. Doesn't your religion tell you to have compassion for the poor ?
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Sahir Shah wrote:
helping the poor isn't essentially a bad thing. :
No one said it was.
Sahir Shah wrote:
"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me"
Yes, but Jesus' concern was for the rich man's soul, not the poor man's worldly affairs. And Jesus never said - give all your money to the government so that the government can help the poor. Christians do not need lectures in charity by the way. We are far more generous than muslims are.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Christians do not need lectures in charity by the way. We are far more generous than muslims are.
I didn't get that. You are a muslim ? You seem to be a bad one then. Doesn't your religion tell you to have compassion for the poor ?
Sahir Shah wrote:
You are a muslim ?
No.
Sahir Shah wrote:
Doesn't your religion tell you to have compassion for the poor ?
My religion is not of this world, but of the next.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Christians do not need lectures in charity by the way. We are far more generous than muslims are.
When did you become a Christian?
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Oakman wrote:
When did you become a Christian?
You are getting things mixed up. He is a muslim. Kindly do not introduce confusion to a serious discussion Oakman.
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Oakman wrote:
When did you become a Christian?
You are getting things mixed up. He is a muslim. Kindly do not introduce confusion to a serious discussion Oakman.
Sahir Shah wrote:
You are getting things mixed up. He is a muslim. Kindly do not introduce confusion to a serious discussion Oakman.
Y'know I've accused Stan of many things, up to and including mopery and dopery. But never of being a Muslim. You have a great imagination.
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Sahir Shah wrote:
You are a muslim ?
No.
Sahir Shah wrote:
Doesn't your religion tell you to have compassion for the poor ?
My religion is not of this world, but of the next.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
My religion is not of this world, but of the next.
What's he on about???? Ah, I get it. You mean you do evil deeds in this world and then go and do good deeds in the next?? Ahh! Very good idea, but, I am not sure if you will get any time to do any good deeds. You are going to be kinda busy with that guy with the horns and the tail chasing you all over the place prodding you in the backside with his trident. Most unpleasant. Ask, Ilion; he has been there already, but Satan kinda got fed up of him and kicked him out of hell, so, he woke up after having a near death experience and with no memory of having been chased around by a horny devil.
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Oakman wrote:
When did you become a Christian?
You are getting things mixed up. He is a muslim. Kindly do not introduce confusion to a serious discussion Oakman.
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I nearly fell off my chair when you said Stan was a Muslim. Stan and Islam could not be further apart.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Stan and Islam could not be further apart.
So, he is not a muslin? Hokay! I understand! But he seems to be a sinner of some sort.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Stan and Islam could not be further apart.
So, he is not a muslin? Hokay! I understand! But he seems to be a sinner of some sort.
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I would like to keep this thread fairly respectful. I'm not here to start a flame war. You are living in a dump with your family with no utilities whatsoever. You get electricity from your vehicle, water and food from the store, and you have a two burner portable propane stove. Your mother died of an overdose of morphine so you want to leave this house. You have been evicted and sued due to an argument with the landlady that ended with you cursing her out. You have several small animals to take care of.. Also you are mostly responsible for your little brother who is also autistic. What do you do?
Damn - that's messed up, I'm sorry. If you've been evicted, then you can leave, right ? In fact, you have to, that's what evicted means. I'd look to pass the animals on to friends for safe keeping, and focus on finding a job and a place to live where I could look after my brother. That's really tough, how do you look after him AND work ? I'd also be looking for support groups or other means to help and provide advice as far as the best care for someone who is autistic is concerned. I guess it depends how severe the autism is, and how much assistance he needs.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Sahir Shah wrote:
But he seems to be a sinner of some sort
I think we are all guilty of that from time to time, and some more frequently than others, and some more gravely than others.
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Damn - that's messed up, I'm sorry. If you've been evicted, then you can leave, right ? In fact, you have to, that's what evicted means. I'd look to pass the animals on to friends for safe keeping, and focus on finding a job and a place to live where I could look after my brother. That's really tough, how do you look after him AND work ? I'd also be looking for support groups or other means to help and provide advice as far as the best care for someone who is autistic is concerned. I guess it depends how severe the autism is, and how much assistance he needs.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
He is about as autistic as I am. It runs in the family. He is fine alone but he cannot live by himself. He needs someone to handle business.
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My little brother is 18 and he collects SSI even though he is not that bad. We are perfectly alright, even the animals.
So what are you complaining about?
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So what are you complaining about?
Nothing.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
some more gravely than others.
You mean like when Stan agrees with Ilion? ;)
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When I commented, I wasn't even thinking of Ilion, and I prefer not to think of Ilion. Sometimes Stan does agree with Ilion, but at least with Stan, he has the decency to discuss an issue, he thinks about his replies, sometimes going into reasonable depth, without ever causing unnecessary offence. And being the same age as me (birthdays separated by a few days - you may even have been his baby-sitter ;P ) he has, like you, attended the University of Life.
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When I commented, I wasn't even thinking of Ilion, and I prefer not to think of Ilion. Sometimes Stan does agree with Ilion, but at least with Stan, he has the decency to discuss an issue, he thinks about his replies, sometimes going into reasonable depth, without ever causing unnecessary offence. And being the same age as me (birthdays separated by a few days - you may even have been his baby-sitter ;P ) he has, like you, attended the University of Life.
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Nothing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
My religion is not of this world, but of the next.
What's he on about???? Ah, I get it. You mean you do evil deeds in this world and then go and do good deeds in the next?? Ahh! Very good idea, but, I am not sure if you will get any time to do any good deeds. You are going to be kinda busy with that guy with the horns and the tail chasing you all over the place prodding you in the backside with his trident. Most unpleasant. Ask, Ilion; he has been there already, but Satan kinda got fed up of him and kicked him out of hell, so, he woke up after having a near death experience and with no memory of having been chased around by a horny devil.
No, it means that salvation does not come from good deeds in this world. It comes from the grace of Christ. And that alone. Any eartly pursuit that gets in the way of receiving that should be eliminated from your life.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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No, it means that salvation does not come from good deeds in this world. It comes from the grace of Christ. And that alone. Any eartly pursuit that gets in the way of receiving that should be eliminated from your life.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
The synoptic gospels can't seem to come to a consensus. For examples, see: Matthew 16.27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works." vs John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life." Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." But I'm sure that however you choose to interpret those passages your interpretation turns out to be the "correct" one - you just have to interpret the bible in the "correct" way. OH GEE IT ALL MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU INTERPRET SOME THINGS AS BEING COMPLETELY LITERAL AND OTHERS AS BEING SYMBOLIC. :rolleyes:
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No, it means that salvation does not come from good deeds in this world. It comes from the grace of Christ. And that alone. Any eartly pursuit that gets in the way of receiving that should be eliminated from your life.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, it means that salvation does not come from good deeds in this world. It comes from the grace of Christ. And that alone. Any eartly pursuit that gets in the way of receiving that should be eliminated from your life.
You don't get His grace if He don't like you. P.S. You are truly amazing. You make an established religion look like some bizarre cult. I am not sure if you really mean all this. This must be some kind of joke, if it isn't, I feel sorry for you.