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  • B Blumen

    We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

    “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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    benjymous
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    We've got flexitime here, so

    • Earliest start: 8am
    • Latest start: 10am
    • Earliest finish: 4pm
    • Latest finish: 7pm (unless there's overtime)
    • Lunch can be taken at any time between 12-2 (30 mins to two hours)
    • You have to do 6 hours in the day
    • You have to do 37.5 hours in the week
    • You can carry 2 hours over to the next week (so you can do 35.5 hours, or 39.5 hours)

    Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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    • B Blumen

      We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

      “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      Start at 0800, leave at 1600, half hour for lunch. They won't countenance paying me for overtimne so understand that I will never do any. Bit like getting a plumber in to fix the shower for $100 and then asking him to fix the washing machine, you know, as you are here already but for no more money. Yes, like that would ever happen! It is disrespectful to expect you to work for nothing.

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      • D Dalek Dave

        8.15 am to 5.00pm, 1hr Lunch. NEVER do overtime. 21 Days Holiday Plus 8 Days Bank/Public Holidays

        ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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        Blumen
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        Dalek Dave wrote:

        NEVER do overtime

        what if the project starts to lag?

        “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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        • B Blumen

          We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

          “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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          Dan Neely
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          start between 7 and 9 normal leave between 4 and 6 (but they won't kick you out for working later) an hour between 11 and 2 for lunch 40hrs/week Normally 8hrs/day, but if you have to leave early for something and would rather make the time up than take leave that's OK too. Excepting when i stay late to make up a late arrival/early departure I probably work under 10hrs of OT/year.

          Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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          • B Blumen

            We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

            “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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            Dirk Higbee
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            8:00 am to 5:00 pm 1 hour for lunch overtime is paid at time-and-a-half

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            • B Blumen

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              NEVER do overtime

              what if the project starts to lag?

              “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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              realJSOP
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              Then you're not doing your job, or the schedule was unrealistic to begin with.

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              • B Blumen

                We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                phannon86
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                8.30am - 5pm, some people flex it, so long as the same hours are done it doesn't matter though. 1 hour lunch and 2x 15min breaks Can't quite remember the overtime pay. I come in when I should and leave no later than is required.

                He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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                • B Blumen

                  We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                  “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                  Lost User
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                  Netherlands; Start @ 8:30, end @ 17:00, 30-minute break included. "Unpaid overtime"? Under no circumstances, ever. I'm not going to make money for someone else without getting anything in return. I ain't a charity :)

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    Then you're not doing your job, or the schedule was unrealistic to begin with.

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    Blumen
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                    But there is no scale for this, right? Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person.

                    “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      Then you're not doing your job, or the schedule was unrealistic to begin with.

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                      -----
                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      hairy_hats
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                      Or you have a manager.

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                      • B Blumen

                        We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                        “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                        eyeseetee
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                        flexi usually work 8-4

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                        • B Blumen

                          But there is no scale for this, right? Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person.

                          “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                          Stuart Dootson
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                          Blumen wrote:

                          Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person

                          Which is why project estimation systems like COCOMO[^] include parameters to account for things like 'how good/experienced is your team'. You have to take that into account when projecting how long work is likely to take.

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                            Or you have a manager.

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                            Blumen
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                            they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.

                            “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                            • B Blumen

                              We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                              “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                              Nagy Vilmos
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                              My contracted working week is 35 hours, 9 to 5 with an hour for lunch. Normally, I'm in a little after 8 and I only lunch Thursday & Friday down t'pub. That said, thre is the flexibilty to come late some days or leave early. I don't normally take it because I push to the limit during the summer. When the family are at home in Hungary, I'm normally out at 3 on Friday, to fly over for the weekend and then I fly back Monday morning arriving at work around 11. I was also doing that every week for two years before the family moved over.


                              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                              • B Blumen

                                they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.

                                “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                                Rage
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                                That's when you use the "factor 2" rule: make a mere effort estimation and multiply it by two.

                                I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

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                                • B benjymous

                                  We've got flexitime here, so

                                  • Earliest start: 8am
                                  • Latest start: 10am
                                  • Earliest finish: 4pm
                                  • Latest finish: 7pm (unless there's overtime)
                                  • Lunch can be taken at any time between 12-2 (30 mins to two hours)
                                  • You have to do 6 hours in the day
                                  • You have to do 37.5 hours in the week
                                  • You can carry 2 hours over to the next week (so you can do 35.5 hours, or 39.5 hours)

                                  Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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                                  Rage
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                                  benjymous wrote:

                                  6 hours in the day

                                  That's _at least_ 6 hours then, otherwise you will have to come on Saturdays (since obviously 5d*6h/d < 37.5).

                                  I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

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                                  • B Blumen

                                    We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                                    “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                                    David Crow
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                                    Blumen wrote:

                                    So this is gonna be a problem for us.

                                    Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?

                                    "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                                    "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                    • B Blumen

                                      We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                                      “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Blumen wrote:

                                      How is the timings

                                      My typical work day is from whenever I get to work until the time I leave to go home.

                                      Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Individuality is fine, as long as we do it together - F. Burns

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                                        benjymous wrote:

                                        6 hours in the day

                                        That's _at least_ 6 hours then, otherwise you will have to come on Saturdays (since obviously 5d*6h/d < 37.5).

                                        I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

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                                        benjymous
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                                        Yeah. It means if you've had a late night you can crawl in at 10, take a half hour lunch, and go home at 4.30, but you need to make up the hours the rest of the week

                                        Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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                                          Blumen wrote:

                                          Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person

                                          Which is why project estimation systems like COCOMO[^] include parameters to account for things like 'how good/experienced is your team'. You have to take that into account when projecting how long work is likely to take.

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                                          Lost User
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                                          ..and still you can't trust the system blindly. There are a lot of variables that play along, and not all of them are measured. Common sense cannot be replaced by an algorithm yet. We would have replaced congress if it were that easy :)

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