Working hours

[Lost User]

Netherlands; Start @ 8:30, end @ 17:00, 30-minute break included. "Unpaid overtime"? Under no circumstances, ever. I'm not going to make money for someone else without getting anything in return. I ain't a charity :)

[Blumen]

But there is no scale for this, right? Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person.

“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

[hairy_hats]

Or you have a manager.

[eyeseetee]

flexi usually work 8-4

[Stuart Dootson]

Blumen wrote:

Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person

Which is why project estimation systems like COCOMO[^] include parameters to account for things like 'how good/experienced is your team'. You have to take that into account when projecting how long work is likely to take.

[Blumen]

they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.

“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

[Nagy Vilmos]

My contracted working week is 35 hours, 9 to 5 with an hour for lunch. Normally, I'm in a little after 8 and I only lunch Thursday & Friday down t'pub. That said, thre is the flexibilty to come late some days or leave early. I don't normally take it because I push to the limit during the summer. When the family are at home in Hungary, I'm normally out at 3 on Friday, to fly over for the weekend and then I fly back Monday morning arriving at work around 11. I was also doing that every week for two years before the family moved over.

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Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

[Rage]

That's when you use the "factor 2" rule: make a mere effort estimation and multiply it by two.

I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

[Rage]

benjymous wrote:

6 hours in the day

That's _at least_ 6 hours then, otherwise you will have to come on Saturdays (since obviously 5d*6h/d < 37.5).

I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

[David Crow]

Blumen wrote:

So this is gonna be a problem for us.

Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?

"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

"The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

[Lost User]

Blumen wrote:

How is the timings

My typical work day is from whenever I get to work until the time I leave to go home.

Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Individuality is fine, as long as we do it together - F. Burns

[benjymous]

Yeah. It means if you've had a late night you can crawl in at 10, take a half hour lunch, and go home at 4.30, but you need to make up the hours the rest of the week

Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

[Lost User]

..and still you can't trust the system blindly. There are a lot of variables that play along, and not all of them are measured. Common sense cannot be replaced by an algorithm yet. We would have replaced congress if it were that easy :)

[Lost User]

Whenever an estimate is required, I tend to postpone the answer until I have completely specced out what should be created. That means that one builds a functional specification before answering. Without a list of things to do, every answer would be a wild guess. With the todolist, it's still a guess, but an educated one. Planning the implementation of a project is one of the most difficult tasks that a developer has, IMHO.

[hairy_hats]

Get a 12-sided D&D die, roll it, and tell them that many months.

[Stuart Dootson]

eddyvluggen wrote:

Common sense

eddyvluggen wrote:

congress

Hmmmm - common sense and politicians...what do they have to do with each other? ;P

[Gary Wheeler]

6:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. for the days I go for a run at lunchtime. 6:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. for the days I go to the gym after work. Overtime is extremely rare. I haven't put in over 50 hours in a week in years. If you notice that my schedule is dictated by my needs, rather than my employer's wishes, you're catching on.

Software Zen: delete this;

[PIEBALDconsult]

Software development is a thinking activity; you don't need to be any particular place to do it. In fact, sitting at a desk in front of a blank screen often inhibits the process. I've always been able to set my own hours (as long as I was there at least eight hours a day). I prefer to work early; it helps beat the traffic and eases bathroom congestion at home. And on one job I worked on the west coast I had to support people on the east coast so it made sense for my day to match theirs. Currently, I'm working from home, so I really have no schedule.

[Joe Woodbury]

Roughly 9-5. Sometimes come in later and leave earlier, sometimes leave late. (Rarely come in earlier due to traffic patterns, especially in winter.) I'm on salary, which means I'm paid to do a job, not punch a clock. (Generally, if you fix hours, you turn an employee into a wage employee and must start paying overtime. Unfortunately, management often abuses that [until they get sued.])

Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

[Le centriste]

As a consultant, I decide what my work hours will be, usually depending on the time I get up in the morning. Since I don't use an alarm clock, it varies from day to day. At the end of the month, I bill my client an insane amount of money, depending on how much hours I have worked in the month.