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  • B Blumen

    We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

    “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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    Nagy Vilmos
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    My contracted working week is 35 hours, 9 to 5 with an hour for lunch. Normally, I'm in a little after 8 and I only lunch Thursday & Friday down t'pub. That said, thre is the flexibilty to come late some days or leave early. I don't normally take it because I push to the limit during the summer. When the family are at home in Hungary, I'm normally out at 3 on Friday, to fly over for the weekend and then I fly back Monday morning arriving at work around 11. I was also doing that every week for two years before the family moved over.


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    • B Blumen

      they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.

      “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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      Rage
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      That's when you use the "factor 2" rule: make a mere effort estimation and multiply it by two.

      I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

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      • B benjymous

        We've got flexitime here, so

        • Earliest start: 8am
        • Latest start: 10am
        • Earliest finish: 4pm
        • Latest finish: 7pm (unless there's overtime)
        • Lunch can be taken at any time between 12-2 (30 mins to two hours)
        • You have to do 6 hours in the day
        • You have to do 37.5 hours in the week
        • You can carry 2 hours over to the next week (so you can do 35.5 hours, or 39.5 hours)

        Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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        Rage
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        benjymous wrote:

        6 hours in the day

        That's _at least_ 6 hours then, otherwise you will have to come on Saturdays (since obviously 5d*6h/d < 37.5).

        I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

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        • B Blumen

          We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

          “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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          David Crow
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          Blumen wrote:

          So this is gonna be a problem for us.

          Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?

          "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

          "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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          • B Blumen

            We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

            “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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            Lost User
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            Blumen wrote:

            How is the timings

            My typical work day is from whenever I get to work until the time I leave to go home.

            Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy Individuality is fine, as long as we do it together - F. Burns

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            • R Rage

              benjymous wrote:

              6 hours in the day

              That's _at least_ 6 hours then, otherwise you will have to come on Saturdays (since obviously 5d*6h/d < 37.5).

              I'm waiting for Windows Feng Shui, where you have to re-arrange your icons in a manner which best enables your application to run. Richard Jones

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              benjymous
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              Yeah. It means if you've had a late night you can crawl in at 10, take a half hour lunch, and go home at 4.30, but you need to make up the hours the rest of the week

              Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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              • S Stuart Dootson

                Blumen wrote:

                Amount of time taken for a work depends on person-person

                Which is why project estimation systems like COCOMO[^] include parameters to account for things like 'how good/experienced is your team'. You have to take that into account when projecting how long work is likely to take.

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                Lost User
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                ..and still you can't trust the system blindly. There are a lot of variables that play along, and not all of them are measured. Common sense cannot be replaced by an algorithm yet. We would have replaced congress if it were that easy :)

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                • B Blumen

                  they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.

                  “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                  Lost User
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                  Whenever an estimate is required, I tend to postpone the answer until I have completely specced out what should be created. That means that one builds a functional specification before answering. Without a list of things to do, every answer would be a wild guess. With the todolist, it's still a guess, but an educated one. Planning the implementation of a project is one of the most difficult tasks that a developer has, IMHO.

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                  • B Blumen

                    they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.

                    “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                    hairy_hats
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                    Get a 12-sided D&D die, roll it, and tell them that many months.

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                    • L Lost User

                      ..and still you can't trust the system blindly. There are a lot of variables that play along, and not all of them are measured. Common sense cannot be replaced by an algorithm yet. We would have replaced congress if it were that easy :)

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                      Stuart Dootson
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                      eddyvluggen wrote:

                      Common sense

                      eddyvluggen wrote:

                      congress

                      Hmmmm - common sense and politicians...what do they have to do with each other? ;P

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                      • B Blumen

                        We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                        “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                        Gary Wheeler
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                        6:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. for the days I go for a run at lunchtime. 6:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. for the days I go to the gym after work. Overtime is extremely rare. I haven't put in over 50 hours in a week in years. If you notice that my schedule is dictated by my needs, rather than my employer's wishes, you're catching on.

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                        • B Blumen

                          We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                          “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Software development is a thinking activity; you don't need to be any particular place to do it. In fact, sitting at a desk in front of a blank screen often inhibits the process. I've always been able to set my own hours (as long as I was there at least eight hours a day). I prefer to work early; it helps beat the traffic and eases bathroom congestion at home. And on one job I worked on the west coast I had to support people on the east coast so it made sense for my day to match theirs. Currently, I'm working from home, so I really have no schedule.

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                          • B Blumen

                            We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                            “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                            Joe Woodbury
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                            Roughly 9-5. Sometimes come in later and leave earlier, sometimes leave late. (Rarely come in earlier due to traffic patterns, especially in winter.) I'm on salary, which means I'm paid to do a job, not punch a clock. (Generally, if you fix hours, you turn an employee into a wage employee and must start paying overtime. Unfortunately, management often abuses that [until they get sued.])

                            Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                            • B Blumen

                              We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                              “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                              Le centriste
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                              As a consultant, I decide what my work hours will be, usually depending on the time I get up in the morning. Since I don't use an alarm clock, it varies from day to day. At the end of the month, I bill my client an insane amount of money, depending on how much hours I have worked in the month.

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                              • B Blumen

                                We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu

                                “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                                El Corazon
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                                7:30am to 9:30pm 4 days a week. :) normal working hours are 7:15am to 4:45pm with every other friday off. :)

                                _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                  Then you're not doing your job, or the schedule was unrealistic to begin with.

                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                  Joan M
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                                  Yes, but only in a perfect world... Then it appears that customer that suddenly asks for something new at the middle of the project, and you have those other projects approaching... Apart of that, in normal conditions you are right.

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                                  • D David Crow

                                    Blumen wrote:

                                    So this is gonna be a problem for us.

                                    Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?

                                    "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                                    "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                    Blumen
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                                    DavidCrow wrote:

                                    Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?

                                    No, not all :) What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings, we have to come at 7:30 and stay back till 6 or 7

                                    “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                                    • B Blumen

                                      DavidCrow wrote:

                                      Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?

                                      No, not all :) What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings, we have to come at 7:30 and stay back till 6 or 7

                                      “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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                                      David Crow
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                                      Blumen wrote:

                                      What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings...

                                      Then you leave at 4:30, or shortly thereafter. They will only require you to work an 11-12 hour day if you allow them to.

                                      "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                                      "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                        Blumen wrote:

                                        What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings...

                                        Then you leave at 4:30, or shortly thereafter. They will only require you to work an 11-12 hour day if you allow them to.

                                        "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                                        "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                        Blumen
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                                        Well the thing is here a developer is supposed to gather requirements, design, code, test, and implement the web application/site. So entire responsibility is on him, therefore company expects us to sit back or work on weekends, all they care is job getting done.

                                        “The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”

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