Working hours
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they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
Whenever an estimate is required, I tend to postpone the answer until I have completely specced out what should be created. That means that one builds a functional specification before answering. Without a list of things to do, every answer would be a wild guess. With the todolist, it's still a guess, but an educated one. Planning the implementation of a project is one of the most difficult tasks that a developer has, IMHO.
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they ask me sometimes how long would I take to do this project, and I'm not that experienced to tell them how much times its gonna take.
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
Get a 12-sided D&D die, roll it, and tell them that many months.
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..and still you can't trust the system blindly. There are a lot of variables that play along, and not all of them are measured. Common sense cannot be replaced by an algorithm yet. We would have replaced congress if it were that easy :)
eddyvluggen wrote:
Common sense
eddyvluggen wrote:
congress
Hmmmm - common sense and politicians...what do they have to do with each other? ;P
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We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
6:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. for the days I go for a run at lunchtime. 6:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. for the days I go to the gym after work. Overtime is extremely rare. I haven't put in over 50 hours in a week in years. If you notice that my schedule is dictated by my needs, rather than my employer's wishes, you're catching on.
Software Zen:
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We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
Software development is a thinking activity; you don't need to be any particular place to do it. In fact, sitting at a desk in front of a blank screen often inhibits the process. I've always been able to set my own hours (as long as I was there at least eight hours a day). I prefer to work early; it helps beat the traffic and eases bathroom congestion at home. And on one job I worked on the west coast I had to support people on the east coast so it made sense for my day to match theirs. Currently, I'm working from home, so I really have no schedule.
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We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
Roughly 9-5. Sometimes come in later and leave earlier, sometimes leave late. (Rarely come in earlier due to traffic patterns, especially in winter.) I'm on salary, which means I'm paid to do a job, not punch a clock. (Generally, if you fix hours, you turn an employee into a wage employee and must start paying overtime. Unfortunately, management often abuses that [until they get sued.])
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
As a consultant, I decide what my work hours will be, usually depending on the time I get up in the morning. Since I don't use an alarm clock, it varies from day to day. At the end of the month, I bill my client an insane amount of money, depending on how much hours I have worked in the month.
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We got a mail from management asking our vote on revised working hours. Options are: Option 1 7.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m. Option 2 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m. Option 3 8.30 a.m. to 5.30 p.m. Option 4 9.00 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. Current timings are 8:00 AM - 6:00 PM I'm from middle east (Oman). We developers never get to leave on time in the evening and people in other department (Sales, marketting, support, admin, etc) leave on time. So this is gonna be a problem for us. How is the timings on other countries for software professionals? Manu
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
7:30am to 9:30pm 4 days a week. :) normal working hours are 7:15am to 4:45pm with every other friday off. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Then you're not doing your job, or the schedule was unrealistic to begin with.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Yes, but only in a perfect world... Then it appears that customer that suddenly asks for something new at the middle of the project, and you have those other projects approaching... Apart of that, in normal conditions you are right.
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Blumen wrote:
So this is gonna be a problem for us.
Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch
DavidCrow wrote:
Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?
No, not all :) What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings, we have to come at 7:30 and stay back till 6 or 7
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
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DavidCrow wrote:
Is it a problem to work one less hour per day?
No, not all :) What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings, we have to come at 7:30 and stay back till 6 or 7
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
Blumen wrote:
What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings...
Then you leave at 4:30, or shortly thereafter. They will only require you to work an 11-12 hour day if you allow them to.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch
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Blumen wrote:
What I was saying is that if they adopt 7:30 AM - 4:30 PM timings...
Then you leave at 4:30, or shortly thereafter. They will only require you to work an 11-12 hour day if you allow them to.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch
Well the thing is here a developer is supposed to gather requirements, design, code, test, and implement the web application/site. So entire responsibility is on him, therefore company expects us to sit back or work on weekends, all they care is job getting done.
“The thing for you is a burial permit. You have only to speak and I will see that you get it.”
