Mentioned in, "Dreams from My Father" - that well known memoir of his nothingness
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Doug Goulden wrote:
Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them.
This is a McCain talking point and bears little relation to the facts. Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending. It is a nickels and dimes obsession and shows that McCain lacks real leadership ability. He just can't see the big picture economically.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending
Not quite correct. An earmark can: Fund the construction of something that must be maintained for decades, a subsequent burden for a local community. Foster corruption.
John Carson wrote:
He just can't see the big picture economically.
an opinion not shared by the majority of Americans according to today's poll numbers.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike, if you're right (and I'm not so sure you are) then you should be excited. 4 years of Carter led us to 8 years of Reagan.
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Oakman wrote:
Mike, if you're right ...
There is that. I don't know if you remember the feeling, during the Carter administration, of ... well, not sure how to describe it but somehow you couldn't hold your head high. Watching the news for 444 days in a row with citizens held hostage and 12% (mine, anyway) mortgage rates, etc. Reagan thankfully changed that and it is something to remember. I am honestly worried that Obama is the same, albeit more polished and sans a beer swilling brother to lighten things up. I don't remember whether or not he had a Democratic congress or not, something Obama will have - with zero incentive to put the brakes on what I consider to be a sucicidal left leaning agenda.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Are you posting all these complaints in hopes of persuading some here to vote McCain, or is this just a form of catharsis to relieve your agony at the possibility that the Democrats might finally win one? If it's the former, I think you might be pissing into the wind, so to speak...
Rob Graham wrote:
Are you posting all these complaints in hopes of persuading some here to vote McCain
of course not. The majority here are either young enough to still be liberal in their views or from other countries and not stake holders in the out come.
Rob Graham wrote:
a form of catharsis to relieve your agony at the possibility that the Democrats might finally win one?
primarily, yes.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them.
This is a McCain talking point and bears little relation to the facts. Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending. It is a nickels and dimes obsession and shows that McCain lacks real leadership ability. He just can't see the big picture economically.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
This is a McCain talking point and bears little relation to the facts. Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending. It is a nickels and dimes obsession and shows that McCain lacks real leadership ability
So someone has to be talking about trillions of dollars before we are talking "real" money? My point had more to do with my belief that either party having total control of the government causes them to act in a less retrained way. Again I personally believe that government should be paving roads, providing a military, and enforcing the law. The current state of affairs on Wall Street has more to do with encouraging banks to make high risk loans to unqualified borrowers, and unrealistic expectaions of buyers that home prices would rise forever. I think that the goverment shouldn't be bailing out Wall street or home buyers, repealing the saying og "buyer beware" is going to cost us more in the long run.
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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John Carson wrote:
This is a McCain talking point and bears little relation to the facts. Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending. It is a nickels and dimes obsession and shows that McCain lacks real leadership ability
So someone has to be talking about trillions of dollars before we are talking "real" money? My point had more to do with my belief that either party having total control of the government causes them to act in a less retrained way. Again I personally believe that government should be paving roads, providing a military, and enforcing the law. The current state of affairs on Wall Street has more to do with encouraging banks to make high risk loans to unqualified borrowers, and unrealistic expectaions of buyers that home prices would rise forever. I think that the goverment shouldn't be bailing out Wall street or home buyers, repealing the saying og "buyer beware" is going to cost us more in the long run.
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote:
So someone has to be talking about trillions of dollars before we are talking "real" money?
They need to be talking about a lot more than 1-2% of expenditure as a campaign centerpiece.
Doug Goulden wrote:
I think that the goverment shouldn't be bailing out Wall street or home buyers, repealing the saying og "buyer beware" is going to cost us more in the long run.
Lucky you aren't in charge or the US would be headed for a major depression.
John Carson
modified on Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:47 AM
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Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father[^] ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Is it frustrating that even with all of your efforts to focus on some kind of messiah complex that you just aren't getting any traction with this weak ineffectual tactic of smearing the democratic candidate? You've been working hard. Gotta applaud the effort. From racist comments to silly Matrix references you've worked real hard at this, but he still does well. Must be frustrating. I had been planning on writing in Ron Paul. I'm starting to think from this negative approach that you are taking that Obama might indeed deserve my vote. Thanks Mike. You more than anyone has pushed me in this direction.
I've heard more said about less.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
So someone has to be talking about trillions of dollars before we are talking "real" money?
They need to be talking about a lot more than 1-2% of expenditure as a campaign centerpiece.
Doug Goulden wrote:
I think that the goverment shouldn't be bailing out Wall street or home buyers, repealing the saying og "buyer beware" is going to cost us more in the long run.
Lucky you aren't in charge or the US would be headed for a major depression.
John Carson
modified on Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:47 AM
John Carson wrote:
1-2% of expenditure
0.5% is a better way to state that. Using the dash could be taken as 1% to 2% when it's really only one-half of one percent.
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John Carson wrote:
1-2% of expenditure
0.5% is a better way to state that. Using the dash could be taken as 1% to 2% when it's really only one-half of one percent.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
0.5% is a better way to state that. Using the dash could be taken as 1% to 2% when it's really only one-half of one percent.
My intent was 1% to 2%, not 1/2%.
John Carson
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Oakman wrote:
Mike, if you're right ...
There is that. I don't know if you remember the feeling, during the Carter administration, of ... well, not sure how to describe it but somehow you couldn't hold your head high. Watching the news for 444 days in a row with citizens held hostage and 12% (mine, anyway) mortgage rates, etc. Reagan thankfully changed that and it is something to remember. I am honestly worried that Obama is the same, albeit more polished and sans a beer swilling brother to lighten things up. I don't remember whether or not he had a Democratic congress or not, something Obama will have - with zero incentive to put the brakes on what I consider to be a sucicidal left leaning agenda.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
12% (mine, anyway) mortgage rates
Sorry, Mike, your statement is wrong. You are misremembering the Carter years. I bought two houses in the late 70s. The first was in March 1977 at 7.75%. I sold that house and bought another in September 1979 with a 7.25% mortgage. It was during Reagan that mortgages rose to 12% because he started spending like a drunken sailor and paying for it with borrowed money.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
12% (mine, anyway) mortgage rates
Sorry, Mike, your statement is wrong. You are misremembering the Carter years. I bought two houses in the late 70s. The first was in March 1977 at 7.75%. I sold that house and bought another in September 1979 with a 7.25% mortgage. It was during Reagan that mortgages rose to 12% because he started spending like a drunken sailor and paying for it with borrowed money.
according to the timeline i have the US became a debtor nation in 1985~ which was during the Reagan administration 2nd term. I also believe a huge recession occured during the Reagan administration, however, this was in the first two years of his term. The Junk Bond debacle occured during George HW Bush's presidency which followed Reagan's 8 years. During Carters administration New York City almost declared bankruptcy and the energy crisis occured. Carter historically is not regarded as a strong president though. And I am sure there are reasons for it.
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modified on Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:21 PM
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Is it frustrating that even with all of your efforts to focus on some kind of messiah complex that you just aren't getting any traction with this weak ineffectual tactic of smearing the democratic candidate? You've been working hard. Gotta applaud the effort. From racist comments to silly Matrix references you've worked real hard at this, but he still does well. Must be frustrating. I had been planning on writing in Ron Paul. I'm starting to think from this negative approach that you are taking that Obama might indeed deserve my vote. Thanks Mike. You more than anyone has pushed me in this direction.
I've heard more said about less.
shiftedbitmonkey wrote:
Ron Paul
RON PAUL! woot woot!
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
0.5% is a better way to state that. Using the dash could be taken as 1% to 2% when it's really only one-half of one percent.
My intent was 1% to 2%, not 1/2%.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
My intent was 1% to 2%, not 1/2%
Then your intent was to lie and your fact is wrong. Earmarks account for 16 billion of the 2.8 trillion spending or 0.57% of the total.
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according to the timeline i have the US became a debtor nation in 1985~ which was during the Reagan administration 2nd term. I also believe a huge recession occured during the Reagan administration, however, this was in the first two years of his term. The Junk Bond debacle occured during George HW Bush's presidency which followed Reagan's 8 years. During Carters administration New York City almost declared bankruptcy and the energy crisis occured. Carter historically is not regarded as a strong president though. And I am sure there are reasons for it.
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modified on Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:21 PM
jgasm wrote:
Carter historically is not regarded as a strong president
This is true. He had many faults. However, Mike is lying and is trying to pin Reagan / Bush Sr. economic issues on Carter.
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jgasm wrote:
Carter historically is not regarded as a strong president
This is true. He had many faults. However, Mike is lying and is trying to pin Reagan / Bush Sr. economic issues on Carter.
That whole 12 years of Reagan/Bush was a disaster.
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John Carson wrote:
My intent was 1% to 2%, not 1/2%
Then your intent was to lie and your fact is wrong. Earmarks account for 16 billion of the 2.8 trillion spending or 0.57% of the total.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Then your intent was to lie and your fact is wrong. Earmarks account for 16 billion of the 2.8 trillion spending or 0.57% of the total.
You are being an arsehole. Earmarks as a percentage of expenditure vary from year to year and there are multiple ways to define them. See here, for example. http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/hjackson/Earmarks_16.pdf[^]
John Carson
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Then your intent was to lie and your fact is wrong. Earmarks account for 16 billion of the 2.8 trillion spending or 0.57% of the total.
You are being an arsehole. Earmarks as a percentage of expenditure vary from year to year and there are multiple ways to define them. See here, for example. http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/hjackson/Earmarks_16.pdf[^]
John Carson
For fiscal 2008, the budget watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense said there was $18.3 billion earmarked in spending bills. Citizens Against Government Waste came in at $17.2 billion. The Office of Management and Budget tallied earmarks at a mere $16.9 billion.
Stop lying, John. You've been caught out trying to promote your conservative right-wing bullshit agenda. Time to man up.
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For fiscal 2008, the budget watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense said there was $18.3 billion earmarked in spending bills. Citizens Against Government Waste came in at $17.2 billion. The Office of Management and Budget tallied earmarks at a mere $16.9 billion.
Stop lying, John. You've been caught out trying to promote your conservative right-wing bullshit agenda. Time to man up.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
You've been caught out trying to promote your conservative right-wing bullsh*t agenda
:laugh: Holy shiite muslim! You think Carson's right-wing?!? :wtf: I knew you were insanely partisan, I didn't know it was THIS bad. Or do you just think that "right-wing" means "doesn't agree with me"? :laugh: Thanks, I needed a good laugh before the election
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Secondly a president can issue executive orders, as in, "this entire swath of the country is now a national park and by the way, you can't look for oil there".
Wow, I hope he doesn't do something awful like that, or worse, just decide that he wants to declare a war. Can you imagine what it would be like if that happened?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Only congress can start a war. It's a policing action otherwise.
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Only congress can start a war. It's a policing action otherwise.
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MidwestLimey wrote:
Only congress can start a war. It's a policing action otherwise.
Oh good! Does 'policing action' mean that innocent civilians don't get bombed, shot or otherwise killed?
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
You've been caught out trying to promote your conservative right-wing bullsh*t agenda
:laugh: Holy shiite muslim! You think Carson's right-wing?!? :wtf: I knew you were insanely partisan, I didn't know it was THIS bad. Or do you just think that "right-wing" means "doesn't agree with me"? :laugh: Thanks, I needed a good laugh before the election
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Any person who takes the actual figure of one-half of one percent and inflates it by a factor of four is not exactly on the same side of factuality as I am.