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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Part of the problem is that postings such as this contain so many grammatical errors and this puts doubt into the reader's mind. Foolish questions being asked by people purporting to be professional programmers have a very detrimental effect on the perception of Indian programmers. To get a different explanation maybe you could ask John Simmons / Outlaw Programmer the same question.
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Christian can answer for himself, but personally speaking, and not wishing to generalise it to ALL Indians, nevertheless the vast majority of badly-written or inappropriate posts on this site come from India. I know English isn't be the first language of many people, but it is common courtesy to find out about the company you are in before opening your mouth. It doesn't take long to find out that: a) posting homework assignments here asking for others to do your work is not appreciated; b) cross-posting is not appreciated; c) putting URGENT in your subject line is not appreciated; d) asking questions when a quick search on Google would find the answer for you is not appreciated; e) asking questions when it is clear the poster has made little or no attempt to work it out themselves is not appreciated; f) writing in such bad English that no-one can understand your question is not going to get you an answer. Sorry, but I for one get the impression that posters from India are more guilty of the above than those from other countries. It is frustrating, and I have had to bite my tongue on numerous occasions - perhaps Christian is just a little less patient than me....
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
I do not think Christian is being racist against Indians. I think his problem, like others have, is that the lack of full formal training is evident. It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer" Then the questions begin! (usually in the lounge!). Not all are as bad as I described, but many on here will be able to tell a tale or two much like I described above. That is the problem. Coupled with the fact that companies are shipping out coding jobs to the Subcontinent because of costs. (Although it often costs more as the lack of knowledge and communications skills ensure cockups are designed in.)
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
meenakumar wrote:
why is that so?
Why is he required to give an explanation? :)
meenakumar wrote:
are there more things you hate
Vista, iPhone, IE, VS 2008, Telestra, Notepad, C#, VB, VB.NET and list goes on. Question is what does he actually love? Metal and Guitar may be.
meenakumar wrote:
i felt hurt
If you are hurt just think how hurt the Vista team might be.
Proud to be a CPHog user
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
meenakumar wrote:
i felt hurt
awww shame, cry me a river why don't you.
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I do not think Christian is being racist against Indians. I think his problem, like others have, is that the lack of full formal training is evident. It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer" Then the questions begin! (usually in the lounge!). Not all are as bad as I described, but many on here will be able to tell a tale or two much like I described above. That is the problem. Coupled with the fact that companies are shipping out coding jobs to the Subcontinent because of costs. (Although it often costs more as the lack of knowledge and communications skills ensure cockups are designed in.)
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer"
Isn't that how everyone starts? :-)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer"
Isn't that how everyone starts? :-)
Yes, of course, but we don't all go on to claim we are 'Fully Competent Programmers' within 6 weeks of obtaining our first Dell!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Yes, of course, but we don't all go on to claim we are 'Fully Competent Programmers' within 6 weeks of obtaining our first Dell!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
And some of us never even get a Dell. :((
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And some of us never even get a Dell. :((
Oh, my pood old thing, I am so very sorry to hear that. :sigh:
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
indians have just launched a chandrayaan, mission to moon. please dont underestimate indians. they are hardworking people. they are doing all by their own. it's just they have just started waking up. i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc.
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Wow. I never thought I'd see a question like this posted to anyone but myself.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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indians have just launched a chandrayaan, mission to moon. please dont underestimate indians. they are hardworking people. they are doing all by their own. it's just they have just started waking up. i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc.
Since Britain is giving them over £50 million a year in Aid, it ought really to be a British Mission to the Moon! We Brits have a habit of dealing with Indian Transport, We did your railways and your roads! And now, it seems, your space travel.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Our problems aren't with Indians or Indian companies. There are several fantastic Indian developers who regularly contribute to this site who are the equal of anybody. Our problems are with incompetent and lazy programmers. Unfortunately, if you take a look at the ASP.NET forum, there are so many basic questions from Indian programmers who ask for solutions to very simple problems. They don't look things up on Google. They demand instant answers by telling us it's urgent - well whoop-de-frickin'-do for you chummy, who cares? They downvote you if you don't provide fully working solutions for them? They lack basic knowledge, and they will insist on using text speak which takes ages to translate. Again, this can be applied to many people, but unfortunately we see a predominance of Indian's who are like this. Also, as stated before, this doesn't apply to all Indian's. There are several here who I'd be proud to hire.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Oh, my pood old thing, I am so very sorry to hear that. :sigh:
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Yes, that means I'll qualify as a lawyer before I qualify as a programmer, not vice versa, reversing my whole life in some twisted loop.
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meenakumar wrote:
why is that so?
Why is he required to give an explanation? :)
meenakumar wrote:
are there more things you hate
Vista, iPhone, IE, VS 2008, Telestra, Notepad, C#, VB, VB.NET and list goes on. Question is what does he actually love? Metal and Guitar may be.
meenakumar wrote:
i felt hurt
If you are hurt just think how hurt the Vista team might be.
Proud to be a CPHog user
you a...hole, you are indian but laughing at them, you have sold youself. because of people like you why british ruled us for so many years. you southie.
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Since Britain is giving them over £50 million a year in Aid, it ought really to be a British Mission to the Moon! We Brits have a habit of dealing with Indian Transport, We did your railways and your roads! And now, it seems, your space travel.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
biggest joke.. we are capable of building our own infrastructure.
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indians have just launched a chandrayaan, mission to moon. please dont underestimate indians. they are hardworking people. they are doing all by their own. it's just they have just started waking up. i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc.
meenakumar wrote:
i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc
Not when they can't even start sentences with a capital letter. :)
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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Our problems aren't with Indians or Indian companies. There are several fantastic Indian developers who regularly contribute to this site who are the equal of anybody. Our problems are with incompetent and lazy programmers. Unfortunately, if you take a look at the ASP.NET forum, there are so many basic questions from Indian programmers who ask for solutions to very simple problems. They don't look things up on Google. They demand instant answers by telling us it's urgent - well whoop-de-frickin'-do for you chummy, who cares? They downvote you if you don't provide fully working solutions for them? They lack basic knowledge, and they will insist on using text speak which takes ages to translate. Again, this can be applied to many people, but unfortunately we see a predominance of Indian's who are like this. Also, as stated before, this doesn't apply to all Indian's. There are several here who I'd be proud to hire.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Don't sit on the fence, Pete, you can come out and tell it as it is! :-D
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop