to christian graus
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
meenakumar wrote:
why is that so?
Why is he required to give an explanation? :)
meenakumar wrote:
are there more things you hate
Vista, iPhone, IE, VS 2008, Telestra, Notepad, C#, VB, VB.NET and list goes on. Question is what does he actually love? Metal and Guitar may be.
meenakumar wrote:
i felt hurt
If you are hurt just think how hurt the Vista team might be.
Proud to be a CPHog user
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
meenakumar wrote:
i felt hurt
awww shame, cry me a river why don't you.
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I do not think Christian is being racist against Indians. I think his problem, like others have, is that the lack of full formal training is evident. It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer" Then the questions begin! (usually in the lounge!). Not all are as bad as I described, but many on here will be able to tell a tale or two much like I described above. That is the problem. Coupled with the fact that companies are shipping out coding jobs to the Subcontinent because of costs. (Although it often costs more as the lack of knowledge and communications skills ensure cockups are designed in.)
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer"
Isn't that how everyone starts? :-)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It seems to many that getting a PC, connecting to the internet, downloading some info on programming, doing a few simple VB or even C# apps, and, Hey Presto, "I am a Programmer"
Isn't that how everyone starts? :-)
Yes, of course, but we don't all go on to claim we are 'Fully Competent Programmers' within 6 weeks of obtaining our first Dell!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Yes, of course, but we don't all go on to claim we are 'Fully Competent Programmers' within 6 weeks of obtaining our first Dell!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
And some of us never even get a Dell. :((
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
indians have just launched a chandrayaan, mission to moon. please dont underestimate indians. they are hardworking people. they are doing all by their own. it's just they have just started waking up. i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc.
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And some of us never even get a Dell. :((
Oh, my pood old thing, I am so very sorry to hear that. :sigh:
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Wow. I never thought I'd see a question like this posted to anyone but myself.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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indians have just launched a chandrayaan, mission to moon. please dont underestimate indians. they are hardworking people. they are doing all by their own. it's just they have just started waking up. i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc.
Since Britain is giving them over £50 million a year in Aid, it ought really to be a British Mission to the Moon! We Brits have a habit of dealing with Indian Transport, We did your railways and your roads! And now, it seems, your space travel.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Our problems aren't with Indians or Indian companies. There are several fantastic Indian developers who regularly contribute to this site who are the equal of anybody. Our problems are with incompetent and lazy programmers. Unfortunately, if you take a look at the ASP.NET forum, there are so many basic questions from Indian programmers who ask for solutions to very simple problems. They don't look things up on Google. They demand instant answers by telling us it's urgent - well whoop-de-frickin'-do for you chummy, who cares? They downvote you if you don't provide fully working solutions for them? They lack basic knowledge, and they will insist on using text speak which takes ages to translate. Again, this can be applied to many people, but unfortunately we see a predominance of Indian's who are like this. Also, as stated before, this doesn't apply to all Indian's. There are several here who I'd be proud to hire.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Oh, my pood old thing, I am so very sorry to hear that. :sigh:
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Yes, that means I'll qualify as a lawyer before I qualify as a programmer, not vice versa, reversing my whole life in some twisted loop.
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meenakumar wrote:
why is that so?
Why is he required to give an explanation? :)
meenakumar wrote:
are there more things you hate
Vista, iPhone, IE, VS 2008, Telestra, Notepad, C#, VB, VB.NET and list goes on. Question is what does he actually love? Metal and Guitar may be.
meenakumar wrote:
i felt hurt
If you are hurt just think how hurt the Vista team might be.
Proud to be a CPHog user
you a...hole, you are indian but laughing at them, you have sold youself. because of people like you why british ruled us for so many years. you southie.
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Since Britain is giving them over £50 million a year in Aid, it ought really to be a British Mission to the Moon! We Brits have a habit of dealing with Indian Transport, We did your railways and your roads! And now, it seems, your space travel.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
biggest joke.. we are capable of building our own infrastructure.
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indians have just launched a chandrayaan, mission to moon. please dont underestimate indians. they are hardworking people. they are doing all by their own. it's just they have just started waking up. i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc.
meenakumar wrote:
i think after 30 years they will be on par with all of you in communication etc
Not when they can't even start sentences with a capital letter. :)
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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Our problems aren't with Indians or Indian companies. There are several fantastic Indian developers who regularly contribute to this site who are the equal of anybody. Our problems are with incompetent and lazy programmers. Unfortunately, if you take a look at the ASP.NET forum, there are so many basic questions from Indian programmers who ask for solutions to very simple problems. They don't look things up on Google. They demand instant answers by telling us it's urgent - well whoop-de-frickin'-do for you chummy, who cares? They downvote you if you don't provide fully working solutions for them? They lack basic knowledge, and they will insist on using text speak which takes ages to translate. Again, this can be applied to many people, but unfortunately we see a predominance of Indian's who are like this. Also, as stated before, this doesn't apply to all Indian's. There are several here who I'd be proud to hire.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Don't sit on the fence, Pete, you can come out and tell it as it is! :-D
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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you a...hole, you are indian but laughing at them, you have sold youself. because of people like you why british ruled us for so many years. you southie.
No, The British Ruled you for so many years because of all your in-fighting and internecine politics. Once you actually combined and started making it work , we left. ALthough we left a lot behind. Language, Government, Civil Service, Transport, You can walk the streets at night, Education, The Wine, don't forget the wine, and apart from that , What did the Romans British ever do for you!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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biggest joke.. we are capable of building our own infrastructure.
Then why do you insist on £50 mill a year? Perhaps we should stop it and keep it here in Britain.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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hi christian some posts by you suggests you dont like indian companies. may be indian programmers. can you give more feedback . is it is, why is that so? is it the hidden dislike for indians altogether.. or just indian companies. or are there more things you hate i felt hurt so i am writing you. regards kmeena
Hey kmeena. Let me be clear. I make no distinction about any person that is based purely on race. I don't think all Indians are good or bad, or that all Australians are smart or stupid. That is racism. I certainly have known and worked with a number of excellent indian developers, most notably Nish ( we both worked for code project at the same time some years ago ). There are many other CPians who are Indian, and whom I respect greatly. Their race doesn't even enter into my thinking. On the other hand, I have worked with a number of indian outsourcing firms, something that I did because I was placed in a position where it was part of my job. We outsourced, I liased with Indian teams, and I supervised their work. Without fail, every single time, the work was not done, it was badly done, it was not done in accordance with my instructions, I lost weekend trying to meet deadlines based on shoddy or non existant work, etc. My comments are entirely based on my belief that the west has been blindly throwing money at India, expecting to magically get back great code for next to nothing. I don't blame the indians for taking the opportunity, but it does appear to me that unless you have the ability to interview people in india, and have a physical presence there, anyone who, for example, advertised on rentacoder and expects a system written for them, is going to be very disappointed. I am a programmer and I was managing the situation, that's why our projects got done. I invariably did them. I can't imagine what a disaster it would be for a non programmer to try to get work out of an indian company. If you're a programmer in India ( and I assume you are ) I would not assume to judge your abilities on that basis, I don't know you. I would assume based on my experience that if you asked me to pass you some outsourced work, that it would not be worth the risk for me to do that, entirely based on 100% negative experiences in the past. Those are two different things. I am not trying to say all indian programmers suck, I certainly have friends I would be insulting if I said that. I am merely stating that in my experience, outsourcing does not work.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Our problems aren't with Indians or Indian companies. There are several fantastic Indian developers who regularly contribute to this site who are the equal of anybody. Our problems are with incompetent and lazy programmers. Unfortunately, if you take a look at the ASP.NET forum, there are so many basic questions from Indian programmers who ask for solutions to very simple problems. They don't look things up on Google. They demand instant answers by telling us it's urgent - well whoop-de-frickin'-do for you chummy, who cares? They downvote you if you don't provide fully working solutions for them? They lack basic knowledge, and they will insist on using text speak which takes ages to translate. Again, this can be applied to many people, but unfortunately we see a predominance of Indian's who are like this. Also, as stated before, this doesn't apply to all Indian's. There are several here who I'd be proud to hire.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
well these frsher indian programmers,, (including myself) look at you guys real professionals and look up to you , we probably do not know ho to go all about in forums etc.. but you guys just go on insulting us, why? you are in your shells,, that's why all the conflicts in the world are happening. you are not aware of third world counties, their sentiments.
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Then why do you insist on £50 mill a year? Perhaps we should stop it and keep it here in Britain.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
what proof you have that you aid to us 50£ mill pounds.